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rulez added on the 2021-04-04 01:52:29 by Xyl2k 
we just presented at Revision 2021 in the Oldschool Demo Competition
D-Zero for the SNES PAL without any SuperFX etc Chip.
fast encoding here:
https://youtu.be/gB_ETTj8Y_c
D-Zero for the SNES PAL without any SuperFX etc Chip.
fast encoding here:
https://youtu.be/gB_ETTj8Y_c
that was one slick and kick ass ride. Great demo !
this demo is running on plain SNES with no SuiperFx or SuperFX2 chip on the cart...
That was an absolute banger ♥
Wow, so that was my question, is it SuperFx or not? Because some of the chunky pixel effects were pretty solid and smooth for this to just be 6502. Just wow! SNES ressurection is coming
Very nice. I liked the art style and colour palette.
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v nice
Top stuff
IT'S A SNES DEMO THAT DOESN'T SUCK
Massive thumbs up. Very very good job :D
Massive thumbs up. Very very good job :D
Taking the SNES to yet another limit. Loved this one.
direct from Revision Captures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El0_7g328H4&t=23s
please add that to the youtube link.
Credits for the demo:
Code:
Heaven
Oziphantom
Art:
Lowlife
Music (in alphabetic order):
Maze
No-XS
Triace
22 months in making... fighting with learning the hardware and all other bits and pieces of the SNES plus 65816...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El0_7g328H4&t=23s
please add that to the youtube link.
Credits for the demo:
Code:
Heaven
Oziphantom
Art:
Lowlife
Music (in alphabetic order):
Maze
No-XS
Triace
22 months in making... fighting with learning the hardware and all other bits and pieces of the SNES plus 65816...
Nice job !
Good stuff!
perfect
SNES <3
Awesome demo! <3
Enjoyed this one. Congrats to the whole team for delivering a solid prod!
Great
Nice demo guys.
good stuff :) lovely wolf3d engine in the end
Great stuff for SNES! :)
Great SNES demo! So happy to see it on one of fav platforms. Lovely anime character you have there :)
Bug (?) report though - the demo stuck on the flashing disco- thorus for couple of minutes, the main tune was looped. And then, the outro started out of the blue. Unmodified PAL SNES, Super Everdrive.
Bug (?) report though - the demo stuck on the flashing disco- thorus for couple of minutes, the main tune was looped. And then, the outro started out of the blue. Unmodified PAL SNES, Super Everdrive.
thanks AceMan for the report... I checked the demo on real HW on my flashcart... PAL SNES... let me do again...
tested right away on my PAL SNES with everdrive clone and works like in Emulator and video capture?
will look into it.
tested right away on my PAL SNES with everdrive clone and works like in Emulator and video capture?
will look into it.
Great demo, lovely design!
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FWIW I also have a Super Everdrive, I'll test it... later, as it needs some stuff set up etc. (capturecard and so on)thanks AceMan for the report... I checked the demo on real HW on my flashcart... PAL SNES... let me do again...
tested right away on my PAL SNES with everdrive clone and works like in Emulator and video capture?
will look into it.
for the platform and quality
960p emulator recording: https://www.mediafire.com/file/1zu3ch46wr86fel/
1440p YT: https://youtu.be/IVd_iNh522o
1440p YT: https://youtu.be/IVd_iNh522o
some post mortem notes:
Idea was born somewhere 2019 at Revision in Saarbrücken to do an SNES production...
So I had some chunky fx on my HDD based on several releases on other machines... but the SNES tile & bitplane organisation sux... esp. when you are going into details (bitplanes in tiles - lovely).
At some point I stumbled over a source code which used tiles in famous mode7 as pixels... so simple... use an 8x8 pixel tile in one of 256 colors and let the SNES hardware scale it down to 1x1, 2x2 or whatever aspect ratio me wanted... now that was the birth of 1 byte per pixel... what a dream :D.
so no C2P pass necessary... but what? 16k chunky buffer needs to be shifted to the DMA per frame... (btw. Carmack seemed to went the other way around... more C64 approach... fixed tile map as chunky buffer and transfered tile set to PPU).
Anyway... now next bottle neck... SNES can approx transfer 8kb per VBL to PPU...aaarg... 50 fps and me gone. :D reminded me Amiga and its 25 fps chunky fx....
more and more little fuck ups while developing... another big shit was Sega Genesis/Mega drive stops DMA into PPU when display starts (if I am right it buffers the DMA data) but SNES not... so if your fx is not proper synced... you get trash on screen etc etc etc...
unfortunatly... due to the mode7 "abuse"... I could just use the low fract 8x8 maths / div unit for 3d and not the 16x8 maths unit which is used by the PPU to affine transform the display.... aaarg... but well... maybe in another demo...
- Crashing SuperFX anim: Simply because we don't use/need SuperFX
- Textured planet plus big sprite logo.... easy... first fx which was ready
- Voxel-Landscape: classic approax... what's new here? the sprite backdrop and the color gradient by hardware HDMAed
- Vanessa 256x240 in 256 colors... nothing to add
- depths shaded textured tunnel with particles... with moving lights... nothing new here, too. but rendered Panda Ufo animation to spice up
- mode7 50 fps rotator... well... cheesy but an SNES demo without mode7 rotation? naaaah...
- realtime 3d part. yeah. realtime... rotation, transformation, face normals, etc all in realtime. those routines are based on my Atari 800/Atari Lynx ones but heavily 816 and using hardware mul... all objects designed in real 3d soft and exported in lightwave obj format and run through my converter. the 3d engine is the one which would need a complete rewrite for the 65816 and 16bit adressing as its now a mismatch of 6502 and 816.
- movelist & twirl... nothing to add here :D
- color cycle screen... should have turned out better but I run out of time to really do it like we wanted...
- Wolfenstein engine... based on the Arsantica 3 one on Atari 800.... again some improvements like ID-like depths shading taken from Doom. expanded view and using the hardware mul for raycasting...
I could tell more fucks esp. with the 816... e.g. why youi can not see if a reg is 8bit or 16bit like on the 6809 or Z80 is a miracle to me... a lot of debugging time went into those fucks... :D
heaven signing off.
Idea was born somewhere 2019 at Revision in Saarbrücken to do an SNES production...
So I had some chunky fx on my HDD based on several releases on other machines... but the SNES tile & bitplane organisation sux... esp. when you are going into details (bitplanes in tiles - lovely).
At some point I stumbled over a source code which used tiles in famous mode7 as pixels... so simple... use an 8x8 pixel tile in one of 256 colors and let the SNES hardware scale it down to 1x1, 2x2 or whatever aspect ratio me wanted... now that was the birth of 1 byte per pixel... what a dream :D.
so no C2P pass necessary... but what? 16k chunky buffer needs to be shifted to the DMA per frame... (btw. Carmack seemed to went the other way around... more C64 approach... fixed tile map as chunky buffer and transfered tile set to PPU).
Anyway... now next bottle neck... SNES can approx transfer 8kb per VBL to PPU...aaarg... 50 fps and me gone. :D reminded me Amiga and its 25 fps chunky fx....
more and more little fuck ups while developing... another big shit was Sega Genesis/Mega drive stops DMA into PPU when display starts (if I am right it buffers the DMA data) but SNES not... so if your fx is not proper synced... you get trash on screen etc etc etc...
unfortunatly... due to the mode7 "abuse"... I could just use the low fract 8x8 maths / div unit for 3d and not the 16x8 maths unit which is used by the PPU to affine transform the display.... aaarg... but well... maybe in another demo...
- Crashing SuperFX anim: Simply because we don't use/need SuperFX
- Textured planet plus big sprite logo.... easy... first fx which was ready
- Voxel-Landscape: classic approax... what's new here? the sprite backdrop and the color gradient by hardware HDMAed
- Vanessa 256x240 in 256 colors... nothing to add
- depths shaded textured tunnel with particles... with moving lights... nothing new here, too. but rendered Panda Ufo animation to spice up
- mode7 50 fps rotator... well... cheesy but an SNES demo without mode7 rotation? naaaah...
- realtime 3d part. yeah. realtime... rotation, transformation, face normals, etc all in realtime. those routines are based on my Atari 800/Atari Lynx ones but heavily 816 and using hardware mul... all objects designed in real 3d soft and exported in lightwave obj format and run through my converter. the 3d engine is the one which would need a complete rewrite for the 65816 and 16bit adressing as its now a mismatch of 6502 and 816.
- movelist & twirl... nothing to add here :D
- color cycle screen... should have turned out better but I run out of time to really do it like we wanted...
- Wolfenstein engine... based on the Arsantica 3 one on Atari 800.... again some improvements like ID-like depths shading taken from Doom. expanded view and using the hardware mul for raycasting...
I could tell more fucks esp. with the 816... e.g. why youi can not see if a reg is 8bit or 16bit like on the 6809 or Z80 is a miracle to me... a lot of debugging time went into those fucks... :D
heaven signing off.
Nice one Heaven ! When is next one coming out ? :)
SNES <3
Cool.
Super cool demo that kicks a lot of amiga prods very hard. Would love to see some technical writeup. Transition to Wolf could be smoother a bit;) anyway love it
Every SNES demo adding to the already-respectable track record of compo winners is a gift. Molive, Elix, perhaps Titan?—your turn!
With regards to the crappy SNES architecture, this demo is a plain success!
That's impressive stuff, i guess the only missing part is something using sprites in a funny way. Well done again!
That's impressive stuff, i guess the only missing part is something using sprites in a funny way. Well done again!
I don't remember the SNES ever doing that, great work!
so cool
+ 1
Tech demo.
Tech demo.
Good to finally see a SNES demo, let alone the one that won the compo!
I always have a crush for metaballs 😍
Well deserved 1st place
Well deserved 1st place
very good
SNES demo winning the compo!
excellent! especially love the 2d art, great work!
Congratulations! Great vibe and graphics. That animation overlayed tunnel was big fun!
awesome SNES demo! love it, best SNES demo around so far! <3
Highlight of this year's Revision party for me. Code p0rn.
Love the music, the graphics, the final raycaster and a lot of nice details in this fine demo.
Cute
Hahaha. Damn. That was good. Pulled out the Super Everdrive and ran it on HW + Trinitron. Great tune (as someone who's made a ton of SNES tracks, I really appreciate these tracks) and rad viz / gfx / fx. The bar has been raised, and I raise my drink to you all. Cheers!! <3
Heaven: for the register size, does "php; pla; and #$20/10" not work on SNES? It's been a while but I recall it worked on the 65816 of the SCPU. Or is it too slow for your case?
@ninjadrm
Just ment that in source code or debugger it’s not visible in a glance if you not keep track of SEP/REP… that caused trouble when porting 6502 code and making 816 enhancements etc ;) they should have given 16bit registers just another naming in the official assemblers… so like on Z80 where HL if I am right is 16bit or like on 68000 with .B or .W…
Just ment that in source code or debugger it’s not visible in a glance if you not keep track of SEP/REP… that caused trouble when porting 6502 code and making 816 enhancements etc ;) they should have given 16bit registers just another naming in the official assemblers… so like on Z80 where HL if I am right is 16bit or like on 68000 with .B or .W…
man this rocked! Absolutely best SNES demo ever!
Cool stuff!!
I have a lot of SNES dev gear to sell after seeing this!!!! Crazy good stuff!.. Congrats! Best ever!
Awesome demo! <3
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@ninjadrm
... that in source code or debugger it’s not visible in a glance if you not keep track of SEP/REP…
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no$sns emu/debugger switches register names and disassembly when hitting a SEP/REP
Great
well done
More stuff on SNES!
I loved this soooo much! Growing up with the old stuff - it feels good to be reminded every now and then that the scene is still alive. And in this case - better than ever! Enjoyed both as a new prod and it gave me oldskool chills. Thank you <3
About time we got a prod that properly rivals the likes of Overdrive by TITAN!! Everyone involved with this demo absolutely killed it
nice
Very nice! Well done guys!
Really nice work mates!
Incredible for a SNES without extra chips.
I guess this is very good technically, stylistically it's too cliched and doesn't rock as hard for my taste
A Lowlife designed demo! Great to have him back at this level!
Kudos for doing this demo on this platform.
Kudos for doing this demo on this platform.
A great prog indeed!
nice little demo :)
Love it! Late thumb
Totally missed this, since I missed the complete Rev. 2021. Very nice version of well know stuff on yet another 65xx hardware. Achievement unlocked :-)
This demo rocks. Loving the art style - Well done to all involved.
Unfortunately I'm seeing a similar bug to AceMan; the demo sticks on the flashing disco-thorus with the main tune looping. It doesn't seem to go further.
Also on unmodified PAL SNES, Super Everdrive (SD2SNES)
Unfortunately I'm seeing a similar bug to AceMan; the demo sticks on the flashing disco-thorus with the main tune looping. It doesn't seem to go further.
Also on unmodified PAL SNES, Super Everdrive (SD2SNES)
@CoffeNinja
The demo was tested on a everdrive clone... and it seems that there is a timing issue so the demo doesn't catch the "yeah go to the Wolfenstein end part"...
I can not fix it without having the real everdrive cart...
The demo was tested on a everdrive clone... and it seems that there is a timing issue so the demo doesn't catch the "yeah go to the Wolfenstein end part"...
I can not fix it without having the real everdrive cart...
Do not remember this demo. Excellent one. Dig the gfx, dig the code.
Remarks.
0. Super FX was used? Cool for the 3D parts then =).
1. Really good gfx (full screens are gorgeous). Lacks (some) Desire logo during the demo, thou.
2. The code is impressive. Althou for the 3D vector parts. I understand that the heart is pink/red, but other figures could have had a different figure's palette. Why using the same (as it looks like)?
3. Lacks glenzzzz and a dot effect ;).
4. The main music, imo, is the weakest part... Does not fit the demo, I think. It is not a tune you gonna listen more then once.
5. The WOLF part-tune is cool, thou!
Congratulations dudes! Waiting for more from you for the SNES console.
Remarks.
0. Super FX was used? Cool for the 3D parts then =).
1. Really good gfx (full screens are gorgeous). Lacks (some) Desire logo during the demo, thou.
2. The code is impressive. Althou for the 3D vector parts. I understand that the heart is pink/red, but other figures could have had a different figure's palette. Why using the same (as it looks like)?
3. Lacks glenzzzz and a dot effect ;).
4. The main music, imo, is the weakest part... Does not fit the demo, I think. It is not a tune you gonna listen more then once.
5. The WOLF part-tune is cool, thou!
Congratulations dudes! Waiting for more from you for the SNES console.
@sim
no SuperFX was used ;-)
thx for your comments. much appreciated.
no SuperFX was used ;-)
thx for your comments. much appreciated.
Beautiful.
Nice one !
Keep on doing good work :)
Keep on doing good work :)
Great SNES demo with awesome gfx!
Amazing spacesuit-boobs.
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@sim
no SuperFX was used ;-)
thx for your comments. much appreciated.
No SuperFX? Really? Arff. You wrote that before already... I see it now.
So the 3D code is even more impressive! Congratulations.
I really am expecting something more form you on the SNES ;). But please remember:
1. Glenzzz,
2. Some dots effects,
3. 2 or 3 logos here and there,
4. More enjoyable main-theme ;),
5. Changing the palette would be nice if some multiple repetitive effects. Especially when you know SNES can do it.
All the bezzzzt. =)
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Quote:@sim
no SuperFX was used ;-)
thx for your comments. much appreciated.
No SuperFX? Really? Arff. You wrote that before already... I see it now.
So the 3D code is even more impressive! Congratulations.
I really am expecting something more form you on the SNES ;). But please remember:
1. Glenzzz,
2. Some dots effects,
3. 2 or 3 logos here and there,
4. More enjoyable main-theme ;),
5. Changing the palette would be nice if some multiple repetitive effects. Especially when you know SNES can do it.
All the bezzzzt. =)
Thx. Next time maybe 😉
Nice
Lovely! And nice soundtracks!
Great demo
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