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I love the scene :D
rulez added on the 2024-12-14 23:22:42 by grip 
Nice one.
Agree!
xD
Great one! And really nice cracktro style chiptune, congrats again guys ;)
impressive! I'm eager to see more productions from you at Posadas :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUKazhLvYAQ
Not sure what was cracked, but nice intro and appropriate boasting in the scrolltext :)
And another elegant "ZAS, en toda la boca" XD Well done, my friends!
Lol, great
Great!
If I count right that's 3630 chunky pixels, almost up to the ST-style movep c2p with 3744 pixels in the Clubisque demo :)
If I count right that's 3630 chunky pixels, almost up to the ST-style movep c2p with 3744 pixels in the Clubisque demo :)
Only Batman Group makes it possible!
Sorry, but why is this news? Batman Group did this on Amstrad years ago!
^_^
Seriously, though! Great work, as always, guys!
And I love to see Estrayk tracks appearing in 2024!
^_^
Seriously, though! Great work, as always, guys!
And I love to see Estrayk tracks appearing in 2024!
Smooth and breaking records
Lovely colourful rotating image of the Joker and an atmospheric chiptune to boot!
Cool
I don't know the Amiga hardware enough to understand the difficulty or tricks compared to a "classic" c2p.
I don't know the Amiga hardware enough to understand the difficulty or tricks compared to a "classic" c2p.
Challenge accepted. ;)
We are waiting for you at Posadas 2025 :)
:D
:D
Gotta love the attitude. And the code!
Cool! This is my favourite Amiga research topic. And kicking chip tune!
Yes!
I'm glad you liked the music
Lovely!
55, not bad :)
Awesome one! And as mentioned, no 7 bitplanes trick used.
:)
\o/ cool!
Really nice, with a good music and cute gfx !!! (I think code is wonderfull too) :)
Awesome intro and awesome music, congrats!
i like the attitude of calling competitors stuff "lamer-slow-copperchunky-narrow-rotozoom" ;-)
Love that the attitude is backed by the code, gfx and msx. In the great tradition of youthful braggarts.
excellent music and cool visual effect
Nice rotozoom and track :)
Ja, is' denn heut scho Weihnachten?
Beautiful! And always nice to listen to Estrayk's work.
Just a venturous speculation: Are CIA timers / interrupts a delicate
ingredient of this tidbit?
Beautiful! And always nice to listen to Estrayk's work.
Just a venturous speculation: Are CIA timers / interrupts a delicate
ingredient of this tidbit?
Thank you all for the feedback!
@Blueberry that's great!
@ROG_VF there's nothing like that involved here, but if you've got some genius based on that in mind to kick the Joker's ass, I encourage you to give it a try!
@Blueberry that's great!
@ROG_VF there's nothing like that involved here, but if you've got some genius based on that in mind to kick the Joker's ass, I encourage you to give it a try!
Estrayk in peak form :)
Really nice graphics and peak chiptune by Estrayk. Still going stron
Cool! And what an absolute banger bass line in Estrayk's tune!
Nice roto, and scrolltext - must be a joker who wrote that one :-D
=)
Is this the artist?
@Rhino - 2024-12-16 19:08:57
Transmission from the batcave received and acknowleged :-)
Alas the Joker is a far too strong and crafty villain for me to combat -
though my 2nd guess would be the use of two interwoven
copperlists. The 1st one only conainting writes to color regs and
copjmps and the 2nd one containing "outsourced" conditional
copjmps and being responsible for triggering a copper-driven
interrupt at the end of the 3rd line of a repetitive block in order to
kindly ask the processor to replace the copjmp of the 1st copperlist
with a write to a color reg. This would grant us 32.5 cmoves for
setting up things for the next repetitive block. Yeah, I know...actions
speak louder than words. Cheers :-)
Transmission from the batcave received and acknowleged :-)
Alas the Joker is a far too strong and crafty villain for me to combat -
though my 2nd guess would be the use of two interwoven
copperlists. The 1st one only conainting writes to color regs and
copjmps and the 2nd one containing "outsourced" conditional
copjmps and being responsible for triggering a copper-driven
interrupt at the end of the 3rd line of a repetitive block in order to
kindly ask the processor to replace the copjmp of the 1st copperlist
with a write to a color reg. This would grant us 32.5 cmoves for
setting up things for the next repetitive block. Yeah, I know...actions
speak louder than words. Cheers :-)
Nice chiptune and rotojoker =)
@cp_ I don't know if that account is his but as far as I know, the joker is not made with AI.
@ROG_VF Sounds like a pretty crazy idea although the additional CPU consumption it requires may be a drag. In any case, it's crazy ideas like yours that open the way to new possibilities :)
@ROG_VF Sounds like a pretty crazy idea although the additional CPU consumption it requires may be a drag. In any case, it's crazy ideas like yours that open the way to new possibilities :)
My bet would be some smart use of sprites to get extra columns...
Old school messages! Fantastic BG!!!
Nice use of colour zero down the middle !!!
CoOoL! :)
Great achievement and funny scroller. My only issue is that I can't get that banger of a tune out of my head. :)
I just uploaded an update with a fix for AGA suggested by Ross at aeb, which corrects the 1 hires pixel sync difference and makes it look perfect on AGA. Thanks Ross!
(The new files are now called jsob_v2 and jsob_v2.adf, if you are still downloading the old version try clearing your browser cache.)
(The new files are now called jsob_v2 and jsob_v2.adf, if you are still downloading the old version try clearing your browser cache.)
Nice one!!
Still pushing the limits in 2024/2025. Thumbs up!
Attitude with the tech to back it up!
Too long, but nice background and music.
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Great!
If I count right that's 3630 chunky pixels, almost up to the ST-style movep c2p with 3744 pixels in the Clubisque demo :)
This could gain 1 more row by removing the scrolltext, but that was not the point. There are 8x1 and 0 bitplane copperchunkys with twice the total pixels.
Heh, it's ok :-) I see the challenge in this, but I don't get the insistence on actual 4x4 chunks. With logical 4x4 you can fill the entire screen plus overscan, still have plenty of rastertime left, and it even looks better. :-)
Invented by Britelite (I guess) with some clever masking applied. I copied Britelite's scheme at first, but later found that the mask does not even improve the visual appearance, and can be terrible on some displays...
Invented by Britelite (I guess) with some clever masking applied. I copied Britelite's scheme at first, but later found that the mask does not even improve the visual appearance, and can be terrible on some displays...
Thumb for chippy.
Joker brainrot
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Heh, it's ok :-) I see the challenge in this, but I don't get the insistence on actual 4x4 chunks. With logical 4x4 you can fill the entire screen plus overscan, still have plenty of rastertime left, and it even looks better. :-)
Invented by Britelite (I guess) with some clever masking applied. I copied Britelite's scheme at first, but later found that the mask does not even improve the visual appearance, and can be terrible on some displays...
The insistence on real 4x4 copperchunky is because it forces you to face the limit of moves that the copper is capable of per scanline. This makes it a more interesting challenge than simply beating the total number of chunky pixels with no restrictions on pixel size.
Photon stated that he had reached the maximum here:
https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=66955
Then Blueberry beat the number of columns at the cost of losing AGA compatibility and quite a bit of bandwidth here:
https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=93409
You can take a look at the comments of these productions to better understand the context. There are interesting pearls, like this one from Photon:
"I have a fetish for the fierce competition of the good old days - that guy brags about a great effect, along comes someone who beats him and calls him names and he's suddenly God Almighty etc, I'm very fond of that kind of thing. :)".
Will we see Photon live up to what he says?
In my opinion, the challenge should be to beat the number of columns while maintaining a total number of chunky pixels close to the original (“maximized”) from Photon, otherwise, someone could think of making it with more columns but only 1 row. :)
Impressive.
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This could gain 1 more row by removing the scrolltext, but that was not the point. There are 8x1 and 0 bitplane copperchunkys with twice the total pixels.
I only mentioned the number of chunky pixels of the ST-style c2p becuase it was made to beat Photons copper method in the first place (the source is even called photon.s). It's also 4x4 on screen. In the end we didn't make a fuzz of it in the demo, and thank god for that as Blueberry did the other much better prank at the same party :)
This rules of course. I love these kind of challenges too, but I don't hold out much hope of bettering the one :-)
@evil if we wanted to compare chunky pixel count just for fun, then my HAM7 rotozoomer in Inside the Machine does 80*49=3920 in the demo, but is capable of doing 80*52=4160. I wasn't aiming for any kind of record, so I shaved off a few lines to free up some raster time for unpacking the next effect. I'm sure there are better ones out there.
@evil if we wanted to compare chunky pixel count just for fun, then my HAM7 rotozoomer in Inside the Machine does 80*49=3920 in the demo, but is capable of doing 80*52=4160. I wasn't aiming for any kind of record, so I shaved off a few lines to free up some raster time for unpacking the next effect. I'm sure there are better ones out there.
how to not thumb-up any world record? that's demoscene spirit!
Sheer arrogance -- absolutely loving it & that chiptune sounds sooo sweet!
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80*49=3920 in the demo, but is capable of doing 80*52=4160
Oh crap, back to the drawing board for me :-)
Not AI but i found a facebook page with this image here:
https://images.app.goo.gl/3Hp18KpgKhgVFgUa8 (someone called Jake Thomas Pérez have used it in their facebook profile in 2023).
And the picture is for sale here:
https://printler.com/en/poster/163608/
I must say it looks cool but i don't like the ripped graphics here so for me its ok but not more.
https://images.app.goo.gl/3Hp18KpgKhgVFgUa8 (someone called Jake Thomas Pérez have used it in their facebook profile in 2023).
And the picture is for sale here:
https://printler.com/en/poster/163608/
I must say it looks cool but i don't like the ripped graphics here so for me its ok but not more.
Or maybe it is AI what do I know?
Ok I checked the picture with a online AI detector an it says its 75% likely to be made with Stable Difussion AI.
Prof here:
https://i.imgur.com/bORUabQ.jpeg
Tool used here:
https://sightengine.com/detect-ai-generated-images
I love the code and I love the music but AI pictures destroys the fair competition in the demoscene between different productions and that sucks!
Prof here:
https://i.imgur.com/bORUabQ.jpeg
Tool used here:
https://sightengine.com/detect-ai-generated-images
I love the code and I love the music but AI pictures destroys the fair competition in the demoscene between different productions and that sucks!
AI or not, in my opinion, in this intro the tech is the main point and the image is more or less just a prop.
BG never claimed they made the picture themselves - in fact in the scroller they credit "Qreative" from the Printler page you linked above. The whole purpose of the intro is the code and the effect, and in that sense (plus an original chiptune) it still works fine.
Maybe your tool is not the brightest candle on the cake...
http://neoscientists.org/~bifat/images/sightengine-toxicmodulo.png
Blaming AI with AI, now what could possibly go wrong. ;-)
http://neoscientists.org/~bifat/images/sightengine-toxicmodulo.png
Blaming AI with AI, now what could possibly go wrong. ;-)
@Smaugur
About the Joker gfx, as far as I know, the author is Qreative, as credited in the scrolltext and on that page you mention. Ok, Qreative is not from our group, that graphic was not made for this humble prod and I don't know if he used AI. If so, it was not our intention to pass off as real a AI gfx and no one here attempted to claim authorship of another's work. Btw, wasn't it common in cracktros to use cracked game resources after all? Why so serious? :)
About the Joker gfx, as far as I know, the author is Qreative, as credited in the scrolltext and on that page you mention. Ok, Qreative is not from our group, that graphic was not made for this humble prod and I don't know if he used AI. If so, it was not our intention to pass off as real a AI gfx and no one here attempted to claim authorship of another's work. Btw, wasn't it common in cracktros to use cracked game resources after all? Why so serious? :)
You are right Phoenix! I have been corrected that the AI detection tool was a bad choice 2 times now from different sceners so I am convinced that it's not working properly now. MY bad!
I mean bifat ohh I wish i could edit my post here :)
Rhino/BG you are a serious scener you have made and are making really great productions, So I think that everything you make are serious genuine work. So I got confused that you made a production that have a picture in it that no scener have made?.
But I love the code and the music , But when I saw that image I had to take the red pill and zoom out for a second and take a image search for the truth.
Well I don't want you to stop making intros and demos, but for the scene sake make it genuine, I think its best for fair competition in the demoscene, especially now days when deep fake AI is in every corner.
Forgive me for taking the red pill and keep up the good work!
And for those of you who don't understand what I am talking about when mentioning the red pill look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
But I love the code and the music , But when I saw that image I had to take the red pill and zoom out for a second and take a image search for the truth.
Well I don't want you to stop making intros and demos, but for the scene sake make it genuine, I think its best for fair competition in the demoscene, especially now days when deep fake AI is in every corner.
Forgive me for taking the red pill and keep up the good work!
And for those of you who don't understand what I am talking about when mentioning the red pill look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
Here's why genuine productions are critical for maintaining faith in the scene:
Yes for this text i have used AI (ChatGPT Yes people can use AI in a good or bad way.) why?? because It would take me ages to write this myself, and I have read before posting and I agree with the text below:
1. Trust and Reputation
Authenticity is key: Genuine productions showcase the skill and effort of creators. If the community senses insincerity or a reliance on shortcuts, it undermines the credibility of the work and the creator.
Integrity of the scene: A scene that values honesty in creation builds trust among its members. If this is lost, so is the scene's core identity.
2. Inspiration and Learning
Benchmarking creativity: High-quality, authentic productions set the bar for innovation and creativity. They inspire others to learn, experiment, and contribute.
Educational value: An authentic production demonstrates techniques and ideas that others can learn from. Fake or plagiarized work contributes nothing to the community’s growth.
3. Community Engagement
Participation and pride: A demoscene that celebrates genuine effort fosters active participation. People feel proud of their contributions and more connected to the community.
Avoiding disillusionment: If productions lack sincerity, members may become disillusioned and disengage, reducing the vibrancy of the scene.
4. Cultural Significance
Preservation of history: The demoscene is both art and history. Genuine works document the evolution of technology and creativity. Fake productions dilute this legacy.
A unique culture: The demoscene’s value lies in its authenticity as a grassroots movement of self-expression. Losing that identity risks making it irrelevant.
5. Competitive Integrity
Fair recognition: Genuine productions ensure that competitions and accolades reflect true skill and effort. Fake works distort these achievements.
Motivation for improvement: Healthy competition driven by authentic productions pushes the scene to new heights.
Summary
Genuine productions keep the demoscene vibrant, trustworthy, and innovative. Without them, the scene risks losing its identity, value, and the trust of its community, leading to a decline in participation and relevance.
Yes for this text i have used AI (ChatGPT Yes people can use AI in a good or bad way.) why?? because It would take me ages to write this myself, and I have read before posting and I agree with the text below:
1. Trust and Reputation
Authenticity is key: Genuine productions showcase the skill and effort of creators. If the community senses insincerity or a reliance on shortcuts, it undermines the credibility of the work and the creator.
Integrity of the scene: A scene that values honesty in creation builds trust among its members. If this is lost, so is the scene's core identity.
2. Inspiration and Learning
Benchmarking creativity: High-quality, authentic productions set the bar for innovation and creativity. They inspire others to learn, experiment, and contribute.
Educational value: An authentic production demonstrates techniques and ideas that others can learn from. Fake or plagiarized work contributes nothing to the community’s growth.
3. Community Engagement
Participation and pride: A demoscene that celebrates genuine effort fosters active participation. People feel proud of their contributions and more connected to the community.
Avoiding disillusionment: If productions lack sincerity, members may become disillusioned and disengage, reducing the vibrancy of the scene.
4. Cultural Significance
Preservation of history: The demoscene is both art and history. Genuine works document the evolution of technology and creativity. Fake productions dilute this legacy.
A unique culture: The demoscene’s value lies in its authenticity as a grassroots movement of self-expression. Losing that identity risks making it irrelevant.
5. Competitive Integrity
Fair recognition: Genuine productions ensure that competitions and accolades reflect true skill and effort. Fake works distort these achievements.
Motivation for improvement: Healthy competition driven by authentic productions pushes the scene to new heights.
Summary
Genuine productions keep the demoscene vibrant, trustworthy, and innovative. Without them, the scene risks losing its identity, value, and the trust of its community, leading to a decline in participation and relevance.
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Rhino/BG you are a serious scener you have made and are making really great productions, So I think that everything you make are serious genuine work. So I got confused that you made a production that have a picture in it that no scener have made?.
But I love the code and the music , But when I saw that image I had to take the red pill and zoom out for a second and take a image search for the truth.
Well I don't want you to stop making intros and demos, but for the scene sake make it genuine, I think its best for fair competition in the demoscene, especially now days when deep fake AI is in every corner.
Forgive me for taking the red pill and keep up the good work!
And for those of you who don't understand what I am talking about when mentioning the red pill look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_pill_and_blue_pill
Don't worry, we only gave importance to technical issues in this prod but I understand your point. Next time I'll kick Mac's ass to make a genuine gfx. Thanks.
What left me concerned was knowing that IA usage checkers can make such clear failures as the one mentioned by bifat. Imagine the potential damage that 100% genuine and very elaborate artwork could be falsely accused of IA and not having useful tools to check it.
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