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fr-minus-210: Attractor by Farbrausch [web]
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Nice effect!
sweet
Organic.
massive crap... I'm sad for the intro getting the 2nd place
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massive crap... I'm sad for the intro getting the 2nd place
your quantitative and constructive feedback on technical and artistic merits of this production have been noted. ;-)
Honestly, this feels like a real injustice. This has to be the weakest intro in the compо.
meh.. got high for the group name most likely.. which is ridiculous. I saw IQ's tutorial shaders on ST like that, not impressive as 64kB, definitively not a winner to me. It would be the piggy, but authors get slapped for the voters who clearly were blind here.
Anti-Spengler thumb-up.
Also a normal thumb up. I really liked the colors and the relaxing atmosphere.
Also a normal thumb up. I really liked the colors and the relaxing atmosphere.
Haters gonna hate...
This was enjoyable to watch, but I was still surprised by the ranking. I preferred the first half, as in the second I got distracted by the choice of colour palettes seen a hundred times before.
This was enjoyable to watch, but I was still surprised by the ranking. I preferred the first half, as in the second I got distracted by the choice of colour palettes seen a hundred times before.
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I saw IQ's tutorial shaders on ST like that, not impressive as 64kB
* 4.9kB
* you didn't.
Hey, aren't you a coder yourself? Feelsbad.frag
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meh.. got high for the group name most likely.. which is ridiculous. I saw IQ's tutorial shaders on ST like that, not impressive as 64kB, definitively not a winner to me. It would be the piggy, but authors get slapped for the voters who clearly were blind here.
I'm aware we did not cater to the technical gallery. Instead, it's about physics, flow, cohesion and love for detail. Whilst avoiding tropes and playing on emotional chords of yesteryear. It can not be everyone's cup of tea by design.
At the same time, it fascinates me how you quickly you go from an assumption (name voting) to declaring it as reality. Along the way disputing every visitors' ability to make up their own minds. And punish us for a responsibility we did not even have. Or accuse us of intentional manipulation.
Y'know, I believe in fostering meaningful relationships. Based on curiously caring. As well as creating and sharing earnest, meaningful experiences with each other.
As much as I did not expect us to win the competition, as much I'm grateful for it. I learned a lot of things (it was my first 4k music). It turned out as coherent as I hoped. I could go into great detail how and why it sounds exactly the way it does. What the sequencing and arrangement got to do with a double pendulum...
To me—above all—Demos are about self-expression, courage and perseverance. The very act of sharing that with others. Within our circle of trust. It's about the people. Who I deeply care about and cherish as much as I can. In the upmost open ways.
That said, I don't know if this work 'deserved' to win. Because I've got no way of knowing. At this point, the mere concept is beyond me.
And I challenge you, spengler and those who just verbally puke into corners based on assumptions to start making an effort with your words. Instead opting for the most lazy bullshit there is.
Great sound, nice visuals, too bad you missed the 4K mark but looking forward to a sequel :)
I'm just happy that you used so much bytes for the music and didn't make Ronny suffer instead
The ~900 bytes over are well spent. Great to hear rp in a tiny intro. Hoping for moar!
Great tune + sounds - and decent visuals too.
Which synth did you (ab)use?
Which synth did you (ab)use?
that last "glass" effect was unnecessary but i liked the organic look of the 70s wallpaper-colors part with the subtle sine wobble
Thank you! It was way about time, Virgill! Puryx—this was my first So..intu :) Cheers to nr4 for the coaching! And Pestis for the helpdesk support!
Great colors.
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If that were true, why aren’t all of farbrausch’s 64ks of the last ten years on rank #1? Apart from this the creators cannot be made responsible for the votes.meh.. got high for the group name most likely.. which is ridiculous.
super nice color schemes, stylish, and the music was awesome <3 me like it!
Fetzt!
I am quite okay with the colors/gfx/presentation, but especially the music triggers a long forgotten sweet spot... so thanks :)
Nice one
Fucking great !!!! Love it. It would potentially add one things or 2…
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At the same time, it fascinates me how you quickly you go from an assumption (name voting) to declaring it as reality. Along the way disputing every visitors' ability to make up their own minds. And punish us for a responsibility we did not even have. Or accuse us of intentional manipulation.
Perhaps too harsh in my initial comment. Not meaning manipulation, I'd not go that far, more about kind-of-known sceners' habits in general.
Straightforwardness is not something that brings me friends, quickly. Apologies if that hurt you too much.
Not my cup of tea, definitively. Just expressed my surprise it won the audience's hearts as top.. definitively beyond my understanding looking at some other prods in the compo.
Congratulations for the winning of course.
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Quote:I saw IQ's tutorial shaders on ST like that, not impressive as 64kB
* 4.9kB
* you didn't.
Hey, aren't you a coder yourself? Feelsbad.frag
4.9kB changes a lot.. as most I didn't care yet to launch anything on my computer so just relied on the stream. My fault.
Yours is 5kB, bike is 8kB... why the heck orgs didn't merge 4k up to 16kB together... that would be much more... interesting than putting you all into 64kB bucket loud and clear...
music vote
Yes! More please :)
For 828 bytes.
Cool trippy fake liquids and very nice sound. I don't understand why you are all so upset.
very defiant music and visual style, I appreciate it. very good. is it just me but I feel so much potential from the NR4 & darya collab. Looking forward to see more prods from you!
It's good although i think it'd work nice with a more chilled out or melodic track. I think the visuals are kinda asking for it. Also the pallete with the green reminded me too much of that 0.5 + 0.5*sin(vec3(3,2,1) + k) pallete, the shadertoy staple.
Complete disconnect between the soundtrack and the visuals for me.
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Yours is 5kB, bike is 8kB... why the heck orgs didn't merge 4k up to 16kB together... that would be much more... interesting than putting you all into 64kB bucket loud and clear...
Because it'd be rather unfair to a full(>=3 entries) 4k compo to have to compete with bigger sizes? Also that'd leave the two 64ks to compete in the PC Demo compo, which would suck for them.
To the actual release:
nice colors and patterns but I wish it had more progression than pattern and color permutation, also the cool technical foundation doesn't show through, in my mind it'd have had a lot more potential. Overall does work quite well for me though, and the "reflective" look in the later section helps keeping it interesting. The soundtrack is a much needed breeze of fresh air in the 4k game, not quite sure the kicks punch hard enough to fulfill the lofty claims made by their author ;P
Oh and ofc: should be 4k :P
lovely prod! i'm especially fond of the clean and crisp sound design. sorted myself with a copy of sointu now as well <3
A fractal-attractor-thingie, given the name? I think it's OK. Music is the best part, the code is a bit too single-effect and repetitive even for an intro for me. The sync is also good.
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Straightforwardness is not something that brings me friends, quickly. Apologies if that hurt you too much.
Thank you! That resonates a lot with me. Because....
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not quite sure the kicks punch hard enough to fulfill the lofty claims made by their author ;P
In hindsight, I'm neither convinced by my partyplace edits. Nor the battery-drained conversation we had at the end either :facepalm: :)
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A fractal-attractor-thingie, given the name?
Yes! Pants down tech wise: A N-source magnet pendulum system of ordinary differential equations. Linearized, integrated with runge-kutta 4, the fractal mechanism is slightly adapted from the usual "source color after M steps" to "normalized durations nearest to each source", which allows control over the highly chaotic parts.
Thank you for all the positive feedback. I hoped to be able to show cool chaos physics and at the same time produce something that is visually pleasant, which most awesome physics publications fail to do ;) Glad I seem to have succeeded at least partially.
Instantly forgettable. Sorry to see the, once mighty, Farbrausch brand so watered down with pish over the years...
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the music sells it, nothing more needed, but the visuals esp. towards the end are pretty as well, although i would've chosen some of the palettes more carefully
complaining about "namevoting" is the most obnoxious sore loser behavior
complaining about "namevoting" is the most obnoxious sore loser behavior
Thank you noby. Your perspective means a lot to me.
In some ways, it evokes certain artistic films from the 60s. A soothing journey from start to finish.
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Instantly forgettable. Sorry to see the, once mighty, Farbrausch brand so watered down with pish over the years...
I'd like to talk about—as one of the founding members—what Farbrausch was and is to me. Up to this day.
To me, Farbrausch is a framework. That prioritizes the quality of the creative process over the quality of the outcome. To enable its members to explore ideas and concepts outside the burden of expectations. Because I firmly believe in experimentation as key to pushing the limits of self-expression. And acting as a statement in itself.
When I look at our collective body of work, I see the beautiful diversity of releases this framework enabled. From fun productions, weird explorations, thoughtful pieces to technical marvel and novel processes. One always informed the other.
Farbrausch was and is about playfully engaging with each other in the creative space. Bouncing ideas back and forth. Courageously. Without compromise. This is our DNA.
Those who measure us only by our technical achievements, complaining about what the name Farbrausch has become:
You still don’t get it. Your expectations are yours. So is your inability to satisfy them. And I am stunned how anyone can put their own shortcomings in this regard on public display as open and unreflected as you do. Apart from that, you also put on display your ignorance of processing what having an entire category of minus releases can possibly mean.
Does one thing and does it reasonably well, and the visuals know how not to get in the way of the brilliant (for 4k) soundtrack.
Nice!
With a different colour scheme and some text, this would turn into a big BIG plus release, rather a minus one.
With a different colour scheme and some text, this would turn into a big BIG plus release, rather a minus one.
that's what i call techno. also nice patterns and colour choices
Really enjoyable and the soundtrack is especially great. The visuals kinda lost steam in the second half, though. I enjoyed the more minimalist approach earlier on.
i like this style and very kool music!
For an Atari demo, this is kinda nice
Im glad you had fun, and the outcome of the fun is a nice release. Overall it was enjoyable to watch, not thrilling.
Nice stuff my freinds! And i am sure the next prod fits into 4kb.
good 5K.
soundtrack is great.
visuals are very sexy, but it feels too much like an effect slideshow, despite some effort to try not to.
soundtrack is great.
visuals are very sexy, but it feels too much like an effect slideshow, despite some effort to try not to.
OK.
Pretty cool. A kind of 70s wax liquid psychedelic simulator?
No thumb because we had enough bad blood around name/group voting already but I really enjoyed watching y'all's process and the amount of collaboration in the weeks before Deadline. Hooray for mathy visuals, and that soundtrack is an absolute banger for the size and probably one of the best produced 4(.9)k tracks to date.
what an excellent intro! the colours are perfect, and great dubtechno track by ronny! a very fulfilling release. can't understand the hate, i think this is a well-deserved placing.
Cool track!
I would like to join the ranks of people who wish for more Ronny soundtracks in small intros :) And the visuals get a thumb for the math nerdery alone (never mind being pretty too)!
Thank you, thank you, thank you folks. More is on the way.
In the meantime, I collected 'things I wish I knew about Sointu', incl. a section "How not to sound like a stereotypical 4kb Intro" here:
https://ronnypries.de/notes/music-production/Sointu/
Hoping to inspire and help someone along their way.
In the meantime, I collected 'things I wish I knew about Sointu', incl. a section "How not to sound like a stereotypical 4kb Intro" here:
https://ronnypries.de/notes/music-production/Sointu/
Hoping to inspire and help someone along their way.
liked it. Not one of my favorites and not confident if this is the #1 but it´s well done and belongs to the first 3 places
nice sound. for sure a "Daumen hoch" Entry
nice sound. for sure a "Daumen hoch" Entry
Like Rob I also cannot feel the connection between visuals and music. Also too simple for me. I like the colours though.
Pretty good. Love the track. @NR4 don't say you left your Team210 behind to join the evil empire of FR? :-O
Jokes aside, who/how/what decides when a FR prod is minus?
Jokes aside, who/how/what decides when a FR prod is minus?
<3 thanks for all your comments =)
tFt: I won't leave Team210 :) FR is a new excuse to keep leveling up my game.
- Prod name: In this case, the decision to call it "minus" has been made by rp. I agree, it's an experiment and walking two new paths at the same time has its obstacles; like no fast iteration being possible to test the sync mechanism (intro is synced directly from sointu hex tracks, etc.) Also it proved to be the correct call, even with the minus, there was some hints on the pile-up that can be expected when expectations ("this will be an all time top 10 blockbuster 64k because group name reads FR") are disappointed ("actually this is an almost-4k with very organic and well-produced music").
tFt: I won't leave Team210 :) FR is a new excuse to keep leveling up my game.
- Prod name: In this case, the decision to call it "minus" has been made by rp. I agree, it's an experiment and walking two new paths at the same time has its obstacles; like no fast iteration being possible to test the sync mechanism (intro is synced directly from sointu hex tracks, etc.) Also it proved to be the correct call, even with the minus, there was some hints on the pile-up that can be expected when expectations ("this will be an all time top 10 blockbuster 64k because group name reads FR") are disappointed ("actually this is an almost-4k with very organic and well-produced music").
also: The tooling has already improved and still does, and I personally learned many things :) I'm also really happy about the technical and creative process we went through to make this, and I'm happy about the result. I will build upon this.
I like the effect even though i find it repetitive, not a big fan of the soundtrack...ok prod
Nice
Definitely way above average for a FB minus project. Good job!
Excellent! Love the soundtrack, and it sat nicely with the visuals for me.
All that beef and polarization around a release is so weird.
The core of demoscene was always about two things: Either pushing a limited hardware to impossible visuals, or expressionism.
Farbrausch did both incredibly multiple times. It's like Deichkind, giving a crap and doing what artists do: Experiment and express.
Yes, sometimes the result sucks for you.
The core of demoscene was always about two things: Either pushing a limited hardware to impossible visuals, or expressionism.
Farbrausch did both incredibly multiple times. It's like Deichkind, giving a crap and doing what artists do: Experiment and express.
Yes, sometimes the result sucks for you.
interesting, good-looking effect, nice colors, but i could imagine doing more with it
(either make it fit into 4k, or if it doesn't fit anyway then you can create more interesting stuff than just different parameters of the a one-trick effect)
(either make it fit into 4k, or if it doesn't fit anyway then you can create more interesting stuff than just different parameters of the a one-trick effect)
What I love about this is that it feels so organic and warm, both visually, as well as aurally.
space lava-lamps (Barbarella anyone?) meet Ken Ishii.
Madness, to pack this in 5k. Could watch for hours.
space lava-lamps (Barbarella anyone?) meet Ken Ishii.
Madness, to pack this in 5k. Could watch for hours.
boring
Farbrausch war ja mal was, aber alles in letzter Zeit hat damit absolut nichts mehr zu tun.
Absolutely not a fan of this parasitization on a once famous name, especially when people make ugly crap like this.
Fun fact: If you check the last three posters‘ profiles for contributions, the result is _exactly_ what you‘d expect.
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Absolutely not a fan of this parasitization on a once famous name, especially when people make ugly crap like this.
Like, by one of the founding members of Farbrausch? Why the hate?
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Like, by one of the founding members of Farbrausch? Why the hate?
Because this is worthless trash that has no artistic significance, contrary to the mind-blowing works of the early years of this group. You might as well program a random noise generator and will have the same value(absence of it).
you clearly have no clue. also nobody owes you anything, especially not if you are auch a dick.
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Because this is worthless trash that has no artistic significance, contrary to the mind-blowing works of the early years of this group. You might as well program a random noise generator and will have the same value(absence of it).
Thank you for the inspiration!
Pleasant screensaver graphics, and a really good techno banger for 4k. Certainly one of the best minus releases. ;)
And lol @ all the people pretending this wants to be the next Debris or whatever, it's clearled marked as a minus release and Farbrausch already did those 20 years ago. But I guess having fun is forbidden once you have shown that you can do "mindblowing" stuff.
And lol @ all the people pretending this wants to be the next Debris or whatever, it's clearled marked as a minus release and Farbrausch already did those 20 years ago. But I guess having fun is forbidden once you have shown that you can do "mindblowing" stuff.
thumb for the controversy… afterall, this will never be a true minus like https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=9492
I understand that this intro may not be for everyone but wtf.
Anyway, I loved this when watching the compo stream!
Anyway, I loved this when watching the compo stream!
I really like this piece on its own merits. There's something about the way the graphics, noise, almost heat-like distortion and colour grading has been done that makes it look almost *not* computer generated. It has a sort of semi-realism to it, which is very very tricky to achieve.
I feel the timing could maybe have been tightened *just a little* as it takes a while for the visual evolution to occur, but once it does, the final form is gorgeous. I enjoyed how it goes from its paper-like start to its kaleidoscopic fresnel-like glassy end.
I feel the timing could maybe have been tightened *just a little* as it takes a while for the visual evolution to occur, but once it does, the final form is gorgeous. I enjoyed how it goes from its paper-like start to its kaleidoscopic fresnel-like glassy end.
@dex46
Maybe it’s time for you to make a demo with artistic significance yourself.
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Because this is worthless trash that has no artistic significance
Maybe it’s time for you to make a demo with artistic significance yourself.
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Because this is worthless trash that has no artistic significance, contrary to the mind-blowing works of the early years of this group.
Ah yes, mind-blowing classic works like ah, farbomat, and ghettorocker. I assume you were referring to those.
Get a grip. Thumb up for somewhat unique visuals and music for 4, er, 5kb, and the ensuing drama here.
Overstays its welcome, but really nicely done nonetheless. Nice to see that rp apparently doesn't need more than a few kilobytes to create bangers!
@rp All that is fine, you can make whatever you want we just don't see why it got 1st place above 3 other demos that are clearly more interesting. I say this as someone who makes whatever they want and consistently gets last place.
Haters gonna hate.
Voters gonna vote.
The thing is:
If you hate this release so much, then please feel triggered to compete.
Use your "i hate this!" Energy to create and demonstrate.
in other words:
go make a demo about it.
Voters gonna vote.
The thing is:
If you hate this release so much, then please feel triggered to compete.
Use your "i hate this!" Energy to create and demonstrate.
in other words:
go make a demo about it.
maybe also worth noting that it's 6 (!) points difference between this release and the 2nd place release.
That's one and a half people voting. Yes it was that close. Now get over it.
That's one and a half people voting. Yes it was that close. Now get over it.
ich find's total geil!
This is really sweet. Great aesthetics, timing and trippyness.
is ok, mildly pretty at times
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