Would you submit a production to a €100 Linux demo contest?
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hitchhikr, that is simply not true. first of all, "most opengl based productions" is not "all opengl based productions", and that is more hurtful as it seems, as some of those productions that do not work at all are significantly more popular. e.g. mfx' deities crashes right at the beginning in 70% of all runs.
I'm delighted to know that most != all.
Grab the video if there's any and voila.
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additionally, apart from the licensing issue, the linux gfx drivers from nvidia are decent and awesome (they perform even better than with windows), i cant say anything about the ati drivers tho.
ATI drivers are everything but "decent and awesome".
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inally you seem to believe that money can be freely moved around. do you think that if i handed my €100 to nvidia, they would spit out better drivers? this monetary amount is insignificant for any project. even the wine project will not spit out a better d3d9 emulation just because i gave them a hundred bucks.
But where does he get all those crazy ideas about me ?
The future of these drivers isn't within my reach nor yours.
All you could do, eventually, is to send a mail to the people behind wine to tell'em to fix their fucked up pe loader and also the never-returning-to-desktop fullscreen mode and pointing them the files that don't work (prolly all the stuff packed with kkrunchy or crinkler or even my own packer + anything else that mess with the standard pe file structure in a way or another).
And after all: it's your money, if you feel like giving it then give it.
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Grab the video if there's any and voila.
a video? you are a heartless cynist. *sob*
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ATI drivers are everything but "decent and awesome".
not that the windows drivers would be any better... but i heard ati has made progress.
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All you could do, eventually, is to send a mail to the people behind wine to tell'em to fix their fucked up pe loader and also the never-returning-to-desktop fullscreen mode and pointing them the files that don't work (prolly all the stuff packed with kkrunchy or crinkler or even my own packer + anything else that mess with the standard pe file structure in a way or another).
i am constantly reporting bugs to the wine project and also serve as a testing spacemonkey, but i only report my own shit. if you notice that stuff, do it yourself.
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And after all: it's your money, if you feel like giving it then give it.
thank you, no more questions ;)
shifter... awesome... :D
BTW: Would you go for a Saturn demo for 500 EUR? See http://www.rockin-b.de/c4/2006/ and Ojuice news.
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not that the windows drivers would be any better... but i heard ati has made progress
Sadly, ATI's windows drivers are actually very good in comparison with their linux drivers.
yes i'm hearing that several times now. sad to hear. :/
It'd perhaps be less pointless to have an "open-source democompo" rather than a compo specific to a single variant of Unix on a single hardware architecture.
Releasing stuff in binary-only format doesn't really work in the Unix world. This is especially the case with GNU/Linux that sn't even really binary-compatible with itself.
Releasing stuff in binary-only format doesn't really work in the Unix world. This is especially the case with GNU/Linux that sn't even really binary-compatible with itself.
good idea. why not hold the competition on an entirely abstract hardware and platform. we show each other the licences and diagrams of our demos and then hand a prize to the best one. an abstract proforma prize of course.
honestly: you gotta do it on some kind of materially manifested system that is mature enough. of course, i concern most about the system that i use, which happens to be linux on x86. therefore, its a linux on x86 competition.
if you care for open source, organize an additional prize for contributions that provide source. i prefer open source, but i also respect the wish of contributors. "open source" is not mandatory for a demo to run. sometimes, there is also code being used that _can_ not be released because of some weird licence shit. i know at least one group that has this problem. i dont want to appear offensive by asking for too much.
releasing stuff in binary-only works even on linux. you just gotta do it right. if you fail at that, you have no skills :) - however: providing sources with your demo usually makes sure that they still run in several years. we know the problem with ms products whenever they drop support for an api or platform.
honestly: you gotta do it on some kind of materially manifested system that is mature enough. of course, i concern most about the system that i use, which happens to be linux on x86. therefore, its a linux on x86 competition.
if you care for open source, organize an additional prize for contributions that provide source. i prefer open source, but i also respect the wish of contributors. "open source" is not mandatory for a demo to run. sometimes, there is also code being used that _can_ not be released because of some weird licence shit. i know at least one group that has this problem. i dont want to appear offensive by asking for too much.
releasing stuff in binary-only works even on linux. you just gotta do it right. if you fail at that, you have no skills :) - however: providing sources with your demo usually makes sure that they still run in several years. we know the problem with ms products whenever they drop support for an api or platform.
yay for i-ching, tho.
Let's all release all our demos in DVD-Video. It's for the best.
haha. with drm or without? country code? and the rips? divx? mpg? wmv?
.flv ofcourse.
I agree with viznut here.
Also, people (yes the very 2 of them) might consider running your demos on non-x86 hardware (like 64bit or even ppc). In that case binary only releases would kinda suck (as they do anyway).
Also, people (yes the very 2 of them) might consider running your demos on non-x86 hardware (like 64bit or even ppc). In that case binary only releases would kinda suck (as they do anyway).
of course they suck, but thats not my point.
BUT THEY ARE 100% NATIVE!
"Native" is an obsolete term. Please refer to them as "First Nations People." Thank you.
why are they changing the names all the time. what is this, newspeak?
see? you cant even agree on the form a production should be released in.
really sounds like a great demo platform to me.
really sounds like a great demo platform to me.
And they haven't the whole set of endless discussions that allowable / not-allowed libraries or languages can open! :)
smash: i dont understand? this is not an official discussion.
my opinion is that we orient on the standard that demo writing on windows has set, with occasional modifications to accomodate the different infrastructure on linux.
this should never be a ideological discussion, but a pragmatical discussion.
"what i believe in" < "what works best"
and windows does not work best. :)
my opinion is that we orient on the standard that demo writing on windows has set, with occasional modifications to accomodate the different infrastructure on linux.
this should never be a ideological discussion, but a pragmatical discussion.
"what i believe in" < "what works best"
and windows does not work best. :)
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and windows does not work best
except for the video and audio drivers?
Once again, send the blame to where it belongs, the driver manufacturers and not the os :-)
That's also what Microsoft itself does :-)
That's also what Microsoft itself does :-)
my network, video and audio drivers work very well. that is because i took care i buy a computer that is not bundled to the os by using hardware which only provides windows drivers.
shuttle xpc with nforce board, nv6800gt, works.
acer aspire 5652, works (wireless, bluetooth, graphics, sound ...)
funny about the latter one: vista doesnt work with the soundcard. :>
shuttle xpc with nforce board, nv6800gt, works.
acer aspire 5652, works (wireless, bluetooth, graphics, sound ...)
funny about the latter one: vista doesnt work with the soundcard. :>
sparcus: hmm windows without any drivers loaded works as good as linux without any drivers loaded?
i also agree with viznut. binary-only releases on unix platforms suck.
Windows works fine - what's the point?
