Damn you Linux!
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I guess I'll try the sollution of getting an old cheap HD and try installing the distros there.
Actually, remember. Linux did actually worked and is ready for use! Just XP fucked up ;P. This is not bad for Linux freaks, it's even a pro ;)
I don't know,. I think I will browse and download some Linux demos from Pouet today, in order to test if everything works fine. I still haven't seen that 4k yellow rose of texas or how was it called. But I am not sure if acceleration works yet. Radeon here and a game with a 3d pinguin sliding upon the snow crawled like hell. Although, at the beginning Fedora found my ATI and I can switch to any resolution I want..
Btw,. is it possible to see the other HD disks from this Linux? I remember when Knoppix count see and mount the Win98 and NTFS disks. It could read NTFS but not write into it. It could read and write on Win98 if I changed some settings. Still, I tried to run the Linux version of State of Mind but I received the message "ist nicht auffindbar" (in Deutsch). What could that mean? I will try today to copy the demos in my Linux partition and see if they work there. But I have to be possible to see the other disks to make my life easier. Why don't they appear in Fedora file managers?
Actually, remember. Linux did actually worked and is ready for use! Just XP fucked up ;P. This is not bad for Linux freaks, it's even a pro ;)
I don't know,. I think I will browse and download some Linux demos from Pouet today, in order to test if everything works fine. I still haven't seen that 4k yellow rose of texas or how was it called. But I am not sure if acceleration works yet. Radeon here and a game with a 3d pinguin sliding upon the snow crawled like hell. Although, at the beginning Fedora found my ATI and I can switch to any resolution I want..
Btw,. is it possible to see the other HD disks from this Linux? I remember when Knoppix count see and mount the Win98 and NTFS disks. It could read NTFS but not write into it. It could read and write on Win98 if I changed some settings. Still, I tried to run the Linux version of State of Mind but I received the message "ist nicht auffindbar" (in Deutsch). What could that mean? I will try today to copy the demos in my Linux partition and see if they work there. But I have to be possible to see the other disks to make my life easier. Why don't they appear in Fedora file managers?
My engagement into Linux will be hard. Any bad experience and I will forget it for months. But somehow I had to use it because I hear a lot from friends about it and it must rule at the end! Help ;P
what was it with linux again? you will get laid as often as your OS crashes?
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The OS shouldn't be the used because it's a particular OS, it should be used because it gives you the best results on your fields of interest. If I weren't interested in demos I'd even consider using Mac OS X because it's more intuitive than Windows and the Mac mini is just GREAT. :)But somehow I had to use it because I hear a lot from friends about it and it must rule at the end! Help ;P
I like mot's idea, I run Debain on a laptop from 2002. It works alright for me. I have a different laptop that I use for windows.
For that state of mind error, that might mean that you are missing a library or something, I cant understand german but it might mean "is not found". I had to install the SVGAlib in order to look at state of mind, also had to do a chmod +x in order to make it executable. Some distros come with svgalib pre-installed, otherwise there is a place you can download them. Try getting the unofficial updated version of svga, I had to use that one back when I was running fedora because the official one wouldnt compile for me. Now that I have switched to debian I have the official version, but I havent taken a look at state of mind with it yet.
For that state of mind error, that might mean that you are missing a library or something, I cant understand german but it might mean "is not found". I had to install the SVGAlib in order to look at state of mind, also had to do a chmod +x in order to make it executable. Some distros come with svgalib pre-installed, otherwise there is a place you can download them. Try getting the unofficial updated version of svga, I had to use that one back when I was running fedora because the official one wouldnt compile for me. Now that I have switched to debian I have the official version, but I havent taken a look at state of mind with it yet.
I'm with MadenMann. Don't use it cause people say it will rule the earth in 10 years or whatever, use what fits you. I use a mac now, cause it is indeed more intuitive than windows.. it also gives me less problems, and does all the stuff i want it to do in a nice way. I use a windows machine at work cause it's by far the best for all my work stuff.. also i can watch the latest demos there, otherwise i'd need a decent windows machine at home too.
I've used linux before (although not that recently), and while it's a nice OS overall, when you get some problem and it dumps you at the command line with some obscure error, it soon turns into a real nightmare unless you really know what you're doing. I'd say its best for businesses with the support staff to deal with it or for people who don't mind learning all the real techie stuff for now.
I've used linux before (although not that recently), and while it's a nice OS overall, when you get some problem and it dumps you at the command line with some obscure error, it soon turns into a real nightmare unless you really know what you're doing. I'd say its best for businesses with the support staff to deal with it or for people who don't mind learning all the real techie stuff for now.
You should use the OS that works best for you. But the only way to find out which one that is, is to try out some of them.
Linux and FreeBSD have the natural advantage of course, that they are free. So you don't have to pay some money to try them out (like with Windows) or even buy a complete computer (like with OS X).
As a Debian GNU/Linux zealot, I have to say that I got fed up with Windows (lousy drivers, malware, cost, performance, lack of choices) and I would probably prefer using OS X if it didn't cost that much. But now that I have managed to master Linux, I am alot more productive with it compared to Windows (yes, for me Windows is now harder to use than Debian), and I wouldn't dream of using anything else.
Linux and FreeBSD have the natural advantage of course, that they are free. So you don't have to pay some money to try them out (like with Windows) or even buy a complete computer (like with OS X).
As a Debian GNU/Linux zealot, I have to say that I got fed up with Windows (lousy drivers, malware, cost, performance, lack of choices) and I would probably prefer using OS X if it didn't cost that much. But now that I have managed to master Linux, I am alot more productive with it compared to Windows (yes, for me Windows is now harder to use than Debian), and I wouldn't dream of using anything else.
I'm amazed that it's "damn you linux" when in fact it is his windows that doesn't work..
Umm, OS thread once again... next we'll probably see an OS icon in the release categories, and people adding MenuetOS just because it includes Tube as one of the examples :)
I started using GNU/Linux in 2001 and don't ever want to use Windows again as my main production OS. Ok, i admit that Windows has gotten better, but there are many reasons for me not to use it:
1. It's not free software.
2. I try to avoid vendor lock-in.
3. Command-line tools aren't as good as in GNU even if you install Cygwin etc.
4. You have to buy or illegally copy new version every several years.
5. Lack of modularity and flexibility.
Still i'm not a GNU zealot. I admit that there are problems with it too, but in most cases they aren't problems if you are an experienced user.
I'm not telling that everyone should use GNU/something, but that's the environment i'm most productive in.
1. It's not free software.
2. I try to avoid vendor lock-in.
3. Command-line tools aren't as good as in GNU even if you install Cygwin etc.
4. You have to buy or illegally copy new version every several years.
5. Lack of modularity and flexibility.
Still i'm not a GNU zealot. I admit that there are problems with it too, but in most cases they aren't problems if you are an experienced user.
I'm not telling that everyone should use GNU/something, but that's the environment i'm most productive in.
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Actually, remember. Linux did actually worked and is ready for use! Just XP fucked up ;P. This is not bad for Linux freaks, it's even a pro ;)
Yea, but hear them scream when you install Windows XP on a linux PC and it overwrites lilo with the WinXP boot manager, so linux is temporarily inaccessible!
I've just kept linux out of my life. WinXP and FreeBSD work fine for me. What would I possibly need linux for?
FreeBSD?! I have heard of this but don't know much about it. Is it Unix like Linux? (But Linux is not Unix ;). What are you using it for btw?
No, FreeBSD is a real BSD, so a proper unix, technically.
It's about being a good OS, not about being GPL (it only uses GPL components for thigns that have not been developed under BSD, like GCC).
I use it as a mail/ftp/webserver/gateway/firewall etc.
It's about being a good OS, not about being GPL (it only uses GPL components for thigns that have not been developed under BSD, like GCC).
I use it as a mail/ftp/webserver/gateway/firewall etc.
"Of course it runs NetBSD.''
All Linux distributions and all BSD flavours (including Mac OS X btw) share the same userspace programs / applications. All of them have gcc, bash, grep, ls, ps, top etc. All of them have KDE, Gnome, Windowmaker, xfce, apache, mysql, PHP, perl, python, vim, emacs. If you have used one of these OSes and login to another one, chances are you are going to feel right at home. That is the great thing about UNIX. It's (almost) a common language for all operating systems that try to be like that. And ALL operating systems today are UNIX. All, except one: Microsoft Windows.
Where BSD and Linux differ, though, is in the kernel, and all tools that work closely with the kernel. The device names are different on BSD and Linux, the firewall is setup differently. Also, they use different drivers and don't necessarily support the same hardware. But that's not really important, because most of the time, you work with applications, not the kernel itself.
It's pointless to argue that Linux sucks and FreeBSD rules (for example). Try them both and choose what you like most. You are still going to be a part of the UNIX family.
Where BSD and Linux differ, though, is in the kernel, and all tools that work closely with the kernel. The device names are different on BSD and Linux, the firewall is setup differently. Also, they use different drivers and don't necessarily support the same hardware. But that's not really important, because most of the time, you work with applications, not the kernel itself.
It's pointless to argue that Linux sucks and FreeBSD rules (for example). Try them both and choose what you like most. You are still going to be a part of the UNIX family.
goddamn okkie, you're right!! :( the server we're talking about here has an uptime of almost 2 months.. omg! *wanks to keep blueballs symptoms from occurring*
That's not entirely true, moT.
BSD has its own set of userspace programs (with slightly different options and behaviour, although most of GNU's stuff was originally based on the BSD stuff, and even many of the GNU manpages are lifted from BSD :))... Things like ls are different on BSD than on linux. I in fact use the GNU version of ls because it allows colour highlighting. This is not in the BSD version (or at least, it wasn't when I last checked, and replaced it with the GNU one).
But indeed, on a higher level, it all looks and feels pretty much the same. The devil is in the details, as they say.
And I'd also like to add that it's pointless to argue that Windows sucks and linux rules :)
By the way, Windows NT used to have a POSIX subsystem, and pretty much everything you mentioned there ("All of them have gcc, bash, grep, ls, ps, top etc. All of them have KDE, Gnome, Windowmaker, xfce, apache, mysql, PHP, perl, python, vim, emacs") is ported to Windows too. You'd be surprised how close you can get Windows to a *nix if you really want :)
BSD has its own set of userspace programs (with slightly different options and behaviour, although most of GNU's stuff was originally based on the BSD stuff, and even many of the GNU manpages are lifted from BSD :))... Things like ls are different on BSD than on linux. I in fact use the GNU version of ls because it allows colour highlighting. This is not in the BSD version (or at least, it wasn't when I last checked, and replaced it with the GNU one).
But indeed, on a higher level, it all looks and feels pretty much the same. The devil is in the details, as they say.
And I'd also like to add that it's pointless to argue that Windows sucks and linux rules :)
By the way, Windows NT used to have a POSIX subsystem, and pretty much everything you mentioned there ("All of them have gcc, bash, grep, ls, ps, top etc. All of them have KDE, Gnome, Windowmaker, xfce, apache, mysql, PHP, perl, python, vim, emacs") is ported to Windows too. You'd be surprised how close you can get Windows to a *nix if you really want :)
@dixan: Please stop mentioning Menuet, the last thing we want is to have our forum full of leet sceners failing to 'copy' menuet to a floppy.
(&Knowing sceners they will probably start a useless accelerated vs hardware thread.)
(&Knowing sceners they will probably start a useless accelerated vs hardware thread.)
Tolle: Don't Copy That Floppy!
And yea, hardware accelerated linux is da bomb!
And yea, hardware accelerated linux is da bomb!
MenuetOS is interesting. The OS for Assembler programmers. I've downloaded it today after two years but still there are some things I don't like. I just keep it on the disc because it's fun booting an OS from a disk =)))
i pity someone who installs (or boots) an os for fun. =)
I used to boot my OS from a floppy, in the 80s.
smash, it's really not that bad with some OSes (like qnx or beos, they have an installshield installer, their harddrive is a file on your windows drive and you boot it from a start menu shortcut :)
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