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doom: i think its really unfair when people expect something each from other, thus taking away one's freedom, the closer they get, the more they try to victimize themselves and others // i didnt let my family and friends do that to me, aight? -- and i still love and i'm loved by many

as about self-preservation, it's much bigger problem to preserve your true self, your soul -- which is quite different than physical preservation, and not less important // people in western world are living too long anyway, its not natural, thats why most of really old people are kooky and unable to take care of themselves // freedom from consequences comes when you accept whatever comes and lose your fear of what future might bring // and as about me, i can accept metal in my veins staying true to my self and remaining world, staying happy and loving

now, what a noble tales is it..:)

http://www.totallycrap.com/media/sexyjunkies/

Read Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley.

doom: Alcohol is technically a hard drug. One that's sanctioned and backed by centiuries of condoning it as a culture, but a hard drug nonetheless. So yeah, it does change people. In the same sense that a sex change would change Havoc.

raver: I have to disagree about staying true to yourself. That sort of conflicts with the unpredictable personality changes induced by hard drugs. There are lots of ways to open your mind, but drugs just don't do that, in my experience. They do the opposite. You may feel open-minded if you can accept illogical and nonsensical thoughts, but you won't be. You'll simply be insane, subject to all kinds of weird influences, which is the opposite of being a free spirit. But anyway, it's all choices. Make your own, but please keep your loved ones in mind when you do, even if it doesn't seem fair. Otherwise you are selfish and evil.

freeze: Their mothers must be proud. But damn, there's no way that page is legal. o_O

shifter: I totally agree. GBL (and GHB) does have almost the same effect as too much alcohol if you get the right dose.

doom: Why shoudn't it be legal? It's no porn, it's photography art.

freeze: Some of them just look a bit young, that's all

Try a shroom bucket/bong/pipe.

doom: you got some relative which seized to make sense after getting involved on drugs or what?

>Make your own, but please keep your loved ones in mind when you do, even if it doesn't seem fair. Otherwise you are selfish and evil.

It's the same the other way around. If I have to limit my own choices so that my relatives (not really loved ones) won't be sad, then they are the selfish and evil ones. And usually my choices are not harming directly their lifes, it was just their fault to be so attached to me..

try not washing your cock for 3 years, scrape the cheesy substance off and use it in a scone-batter to make nice space-scones!!!! IT IS TEH PSY MAN!! VERY PSY!

PS: Too many people, yes. Some are dead now. They're the lucky ones I guess.. but I try not to dwell on it.

Optimus: The problem with that attitude is that it makes love a selfish and evil thing. Of course it's all about choices, but I'd just rather choose the world where love is a good thing, even if that means I'm not free to go insane as I please.

Anyway..

It depends on how wild one goes. I agree about beating yer wife and raping yer daughter being evil. But personally I can't touch this even if I am hellish drunken..

It depends on the point of view. My opinion has to do with my personal experiences inside my family. I was always the (extremely) "good" child and that's what my parents still expect from me. So, they are annoying me even for the most simple things and I can't stand life at home. Well,. I have accepted that it has to be like this, but very soon I am planning to find a job and stay with my small brother who is already staying away from home, so things will come naturally and that's the way to go for me. I never felt any true connection to my parents..

Perhaps I am just telling my own story again, it wouldn't be the same if I hadn't the same mentality or the same parents, I am sorry about this talk, I still appreciate your own view. Sometimes, I wish I'd know the good side of love as you may have lived it, but when my parents say they were doing all these things because they love me and want to protect me, while I always felt miserable with their control over my life, how can I see things positive? Unfortunatelly, I have come to the point that as long as I am staying with them, my psychological condition gets worse. Soon, I will continue my life away from them..

I wish I had more time to think what I am writting and this laptop keyboard is annoying, but I am open to discussions, somehow I like when there are serious and interesting discussions here, at rare times. And I wish I could write less..

optimus got it rite! // one CANT be selffish staying true to his/her soul, in fact there's no harmony any other way, how can you even think being useful to someone without being yourself? // selffishness is a sick concept, invented by ineffectual thinking

doom, all i wanted to state is, drugs have nothing to do with love or hate, well at least not more than anything else in this world // as about logics and being insane.. c'mon man! -- if you rely on logic, you'll never ever realize the borderless freedom of the world // and todays fusion of science, phylosophy and religion proves limitness of the logics quite well

In fewer words I'll have to agree with you that someone can do what he wants at least when this thing doesn't harm his lovin ones. Also, I think I have to agree that things like alcohol and drugs sometimes can harm people, when the users can't control themselves, even if they never intended to do harm while sober (Btw, not having anything to do with the context,. now I am thinking it the only thing I have personally harmed after use of alcohol was Pouet, lol! :).

But I was just thinking of another thing for a while, which was the trigger to write these texts. Where is the point where you start harming people? Should I stop doing my thing when my mother tells me that this will make my father sad? That was what first came in my mind when you said about not harming my loving ones. Well,. perhaps I was out of context when I first thought about writting the previous text..

>selffishness is a sick concept, invented by ineffectual thinking

That's an interesting subject for me. My personal belief is that everyone is selfish at the end. Even when you love, help and give your half life for another person, you do these actions in order to receive satisfaction. You help and love people just because it makes yourself feel good. That's a basic motivation for every of your actions..

Other than that, I think that I seem more selfish than other selfish people. Even if I don't believe in astrology, they got me right, damn! ;) Girls avoid me when they hear that I am a Capricorn, because they can guess what is true. I have myself and my personal dreams higher than all. Well, that started with those old "the poor freak" dreams where I once wanted to become a great programmer, and my brothers and parents remember that I was so occupied in this personal focus that I gave my life for this. Also,. I am afraid of having a relationship (not the main reason why I never had till now though) because it will mean that I'll have to give some of my time. So I think I truly am a so called Capricorn, or simply the very selfish one. But I do accept that..

raver: Well, to me freedom comes from self control. I can't be free in spirit, or true to myself, if I'm not able to control my thoughts. Like, if I suddenly think I understand the nature of the universe, yet I'm completely unable to articulate those thoughts, I WANT to be able to think "hey, am I really sure about this? Where did this idea come from? It sounds pretty dumb." To me that's freedom. I do know the feeling of freedom you can get from some drugs, but in retrospect, I have to say that I really wasn't able to control my mind while I was "under".

I know it's kind of the point. To let go, I mean. Like being submissive in kinky sex games or whatever, to give up control. It's a great feeling. But it's not freedom.

Anyway, I don't really care. ;)

i can see what your point, but thats too slow for me=) // no problems with self-control tho' // freedom to the choice! -- peas

Old forum, but new question.

What does it mean,. if you got some, but you felt absolutely nothing. Like DMT, maybe it was 20mg and then few more, but there was no hallucinations or anything, like absolutely nothing happened? My friend thought it's impossible.

What could that be? Can someone take some doses but have no experience? My friend jokes and says I am immortal. But I wanted to see something anything, either good or bad. It's more disappointing to see nothing.

You should get professional help.

And a life.

"know your body, know your mind, know your substance, know your source"
DMT won't work orally without MAO inhibitors - substances blocking the MAO ensymes in our brains, they break down DMT and many other compounds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine#Oral_ingestion

True maybe then, it was oral. I trust the person, thought he knows what he is doing. Might ask him again about this.

I am more fine than in the past. I think different about this life thing. But not perfect anyways, I am working on it.

I read somewhere in the thread that one should not take this shit if he has personal problems. I do understand the concept, I hear from other sources that people with psychological problems could be messed badly, having a negative experience. I do understand.

But what I don't understand is, then who should take these things? We have all these stories (which could be very well urban legends) of people changing their state of mind permanently in a way that changes their lives. It's logical that people with burdens would seek out this stuff (or also other stuff that explore the self, like meditation or reading about MBTI types or other stuff).

If you were perfectly healthy then why take these stuff. It was then where I would say "I have a perfect life, why risk messing it up?". Here is different, it's like "here goes nothing, what do I have to lose?". Most people who try these stuff, must be bothered by something, else why you would risk?

But I am not going to get into and messed up. I don't think I will be into it any time soon again. It was just curiosity and that myth that somehow it would change something onto me. And maybe not done properly, no experiences, just went back home and I am fine now.

Maybe I'll just try to find some meditation center around the city.

Shut up Dolan.
Better stop raeping Gooby!!

optimus: approach anything like that with caution. It's basically an extreme event in your life, and any extreme event can of course change you, either in good ways or bad. If you take a strong psychedelic it's important that you do it when you're in a good frame of mind - calm and in a good mood, ideally with people who've done it before and that you like and trust.

There are risks even so. A bad trip can leave you pretty traumatised, and you can hurt yourself in the process (this is why it's important to have friends you trust around).

It can also cause damage. A friend of mine from years back took LSD quite regularly at one time. After one trip he completely changed - he'd be totally laid back and chilled out (actually a bit too chilled out), but any alcohol would make him really violent. Last time I saw him he'd lost his job and nearly went to prison after his office xmas party :(

I think things like that are pretty rare, but there is a risk. After seeing what happened to some of my friends I don't take anything other than alcohol now (and that in small doses :) On the other hand, I don't regret taking various things when i was younger. I'm just happy I didn't do it too often.