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Hi there, the Scene has voted with their feet - after trying hard for three years to establish it, SceneCity clearly is unneeded and unwanted. People prefer Discord/Twitch/YouTube/etc these days, and that is OK.

As there are no party streams scheduled, shutting the system down on short notice should not hurt anyone.

In case you have a private channel on SceneCity that you would like to have exported, please contact us on the #SceneCity channel.

Sorry it didn't work out. This is the first time I even heard of SceneCity.

thank you for writing and hosting it. I already dm'ed you about it some time ago, but I still think it's super cool to have a platform without moderators going full ham on you for random reasons and I really appreciated its existence. sorry to hear you're closing it. I think with 1119 people on there I'd not call it unwanted.

Anyway, it's a harsh time of the year, I recognize that I'm out of fuel as well. I wish you the best moving forward.

So I signed up and it seems quite nice. Sorry I was too late.

Sorry to hear that. Was just about to forewarn about Gerp 2025 in January >>

It was Gerps choice of streaming service since no random bans due to "inappropriate pixel breasts" or tracker music that may sound like something else etc.

Not sure what to go with now, maybe we'll try out Twitch again, or YouTube. Haven't used any of them for a while since SceneCity just were there for us (with good direct support from Scamp).

Thanks for the service!

SceneSat are still around, you know...

Great, will contact you (SceneSat) about it very soon then :).

Not really uptodate on which services still available, så thanks for the info.

<3 for trying

I am sad if this goes away. I like this service and I very much appreciate all the efforts put in to this over the years. I've been trying to push orgas to use this, but I've noticed that there is pushback. I tried to talk Assembly to use this, but they are a Twitch partner so that died right there and then. I suggested this to Alternative Party but they opted to use SceneSat instead, probably due to familiarity.

Today has been quite a day overall. And I hope you, scamp, cool down a bit to consider the amount work put into this and give it another chance of life. I feel this is not a contest, and fighting against the established big ones is surely not an easy fight and not one that can be won overnight. SceneCity has a lot of traction and has done so many things right.

I hope you reconsider.

Sad and sorry to hear that.. I actually loved scenecity ! I enjoyed watching the "tv" which made me discover some great demos.
Scenecity is great but I believe it suffers from a lack of communication.
but yeah...a little tired and drunk tonight so i ll just say..
yeah it's sad
and personally I prefer when demoparties are streamed to sites like scenesat, scenecity or ccc (I hate twitch..it ui and ux are terrible to me..Youtube is OK though)

It's sad to see scenecity go. I really appreciate the work you put in this and I agree it's important to establish alternatives to the commercial platforms.

It's always a hard fight but I think it should be fought anyway.
Over the last twenty years, the capitalist economy has really conquered the sphere of internet communication to a point where it is difficult to roll back.

Pitty nothing lasts forever ofcourse.. thanks for trying with scenecity!

To be perfectly honest, I had no idea what SceneCity was. I saw the name a few times, and I was exposed to the chat part (I had no idea until now that there were other parts) when registering for UC.

So as far as I can tell, before any potential execution or interest problem, maybe there was just a marketing problem.

Maybe it'd help to have some kind of hub referencing the existing infrastructure?

this is sad news, but also understandable. too tired to type meaningful stuff into the phone now. i hope we can keep the streaming paltform alive in one way or another.

Sorry it didn't work out. This week is the first time I even heard of SceneCity.

That's quite puzzling.

In 2022/2023 quite a bunch of parties had been using our services - Revision (partly), Evoke, Deadline, Nordlicht, so if you watched those you should have stumbled upon then.

Now, mostly due to the heavy "we don't want you anymore, and as we now no longer need you to provide us Internet/Streaming/whatever, you can fuck off" movement in the scene, including very much the German party orga scene, in 2024 hardly no-one has used it anymore.

That's what I meant in the "infrastructure future" thread when I said that getting such a service to shine requires support from key stake holders, which include party orgas. But they all voted with their feet, and their viewers did, too, that Twitch/Youtube/Discord is just easier and gives them a bigger audience. So the chances of SceneCity taking off has never been lower than today. The key players don't want it to succeed, because the key players want me gone. Which is OK, I have found a better home when it comes to a welcoming Nerd/Artist community. But for SceneCity it clearly means game-over.

(Yes, someone could take over doing administration and hosting. But even some of the people originally building it have decided they prefer Discord. So I don't have someone who would be willing to take over the burden. When it comes to hosting you have to keep in mind all of this is running on custom hardware on 12 physical servers, with each box having hardware encoders/decoders. So you can not just virtualize and move to some standard hosting.)

Sounds a bit like the well known syndrome of cancel culture.

Anyhow. People have the given right to decide to stick with crap/commercial companies and censorship. People have also the right to live in their own bubble. Leave them there so you don´t need to be upset anymore and they are happy how things are....Till the day, the companies who drove the Systems change their mind, flooding them with advertising, pay micro services, censorship and other funny things.

As again, it´s interesting to observe, how some people be treated and how forgiveness seems to be an unknown fact... Well, i hope more kindness for each other will come back as well as the work people do. (Also Party Orgas coming into my mind as they have also a hard job which deserves so much respect)

be kind and respect your opposite

I will never again use that culture-term because it is far too loaded.

But I will say that the tolerance in regards of neurodiversity in the scene these days is much lower than it was 20 years ago, no matter that there are some people very loudly claiming otherwise, not noticing that their tolerance of neurodiversity is limited pretty much to their OWN kind of neurodiversity.

I have experienced the same outside the scene. You would assume that people on the autistic spectrum are tolerant towards other people on the spectrum, but the opposite is the case. They are FAR more intolerant that normies.

So, my personal view is that "those who rule the scene these days" and me are incompatible, and that the contributions I did in the last 30 years simply are not NEEDED and wanted anymore. And I am taking this without any rage or bad feelings, it's just an observation.

I will give a very unemotional example: I used to be needed for German demoparties to provide Internet because for years this country had been third world when it comes to Internet connectivity. Now all parties do have Internet. So I can no longer contribute, and those who I believed to actually value me as a friend now focus solely on my social defects, and no longer see me as a net-positive.

But that's very off-topic here.

I am not shutting down SceneCity out of emotional reasons, but because there is nobody who would take over the work, and the scene has voted with their feet that is totally redundant.

In what way did the tolerance towards neurodivergence decline? I’m asking cuz in my experience it hasn’t and just tolerance towards problematic behavior that scares away others has declined.

Ones "problematic behavior" might be someone else's autism you are unable or unwilling to understand and deal with.

Different generations of autistic people have lived to completely different times.

Look, if you are young and on the spectrum, in these days you can go see a doctor, get therapy and medication.

In MY generation after a youth of hell where I felt like an alien living in a world that was a complete mystery to me it took 38 YEARS until someone for the first time pointed out the option to go to a neurologist.

For the person closest to me, it took over 30 years until she was enabled to discover that parents can be very abusive on a psychological level, that it is not normal to cry every morning and evening, that stuff can be treated.

For a neurodivergent person it is a HUGE difference if they get provided help and options at the age of let's say 20 years compared ton an age of 30-40 years. Your road to healing is FAR longer than at a younger age, because the older you are, the harder it gets to reprogram your own brain.

So, tolerance for neurodivergent people must include the fact that some of your "peers" had been provided a far worse start than yourself.

@Scamp: better late than never.. the best thing is to be who you are and than enjoy life even more! All the best to you!

everyone has become a lot more aware that maybe certain attitudes are not that great to have, as well as an awareness that it's possible to speak up about it.



or, much much simpler: your autism (or other neurodivergence) is at best an explanation, not an excuse for your behavior, and even then I think that's oversimplifying it.

It's a bitter pill to swallow and it does take time, but it doesn't absolve anyone from criticism. It doesn't mean you don't have to try your best. I think plenty of people can vouch for the fact that I have done a *LOT* of growing over the past 15 years. Hell, even the past 2 years.



This is the same kinda phrasing people use to excuse old people from saying shitty things, and it does absolutely nothing to help anyone. You're just trapping yourself into not growing. Nobody's expecting anyone to get it right immediately, just that you own up the bad things and try better.

No. It's just that you, dear Lynn, do not appreciate the 10 years all the sceners around you have supported you on your journey, and instead are beating up people who are different than you.

You don't see that you own social defects are ALSO hurting A LOT of people. You assume you are one of the "fine" autistic people, and the other autistic people are "the problem".

You plain and simply are intolerant and non-self-reflective.

But I don't want to bash you or discuss this here. I am very well aware about what you are doing to other people behind their back, including at this very moment.

Stop assuming you are a good person, and the other one's aren't.

You are just blind and ignorant to other people's pain.

That's why I just "used" you as an example.

You are not the person who is in charge of defining what "problematic behavior" is. Your belief to be in charge of that IS problematic behavior.

Nuff said.

No. It's just that you, dear Lynn, do not appreciate the 10 years all the sceners around you have supported you on your journey, and instead are beating up people who are different than you.

You don't see that you own social defects are ALSO hurting A LOT of people. You assume you are one of the "fine" autistic people, and the other autistic people are "the problem".

You plain and simply are intolerant and non-self-reflective.

But I don't want to bash you or discuss this here. I am very well aware about what you are doing to other people behind their back, including at this very moment.

Stop assuming you are a good person, and the other one's aren't.

You are just blind and ignorant to other people's pain.

That's why I just "used" you as an example.

You are not the person who is in charge of defining what "problematic behavior" is. Your belief to be in charge of that IS problematic behavior.

Nuff said.

(Since when does pouet have an auto-doublepost feature? Sorry for that. :)