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Great party, folks. More cleaning in the toilets/showers wouldn't hurt, but that's just a minor detail. But really great days in Bingen with a lot of great people.

Even if I miss the old location, the new one is also very neat. As I said, I especially loved the right entrance with the lava lamp and gimmiks.

The showers were okay, it would rock if the meadow area would be larger next year. As well as the campfire. What about a veggie food support next year? :))

Ah, and by the way... Big fuckings go out to the Ordnungsamt! How can I contact them and tell them that they suck asses?

Well, the best party ever since my party-activities (Mekka 97).

We'll certainly do more fun-compo and entertainment action next year.

How many tickets was sold?

regarding the timetable: it would be nice if there aren't any loud competitions (music for example) 1 hour before important deadlines...

just a suggestion.

anyway, such a great party :) everything rocked, soooo beautiful. i second all the good stuff all the guys mentioned before.

see you next year :)

[quote]Posted by dipswitch:
fuckings go out to the music preselection who seemingly wank on melodies and general popshit.

It seems you are much more like ep than you realize. I'm not going to flame you though, so relax...

Cheers! :)

Best party I've ever been to. Love <3 <3 And greetings to all the cool people I met there.

I would've loved a better food support though. More vegetarian choices, though I guess that I'm a minority (and I did end up eating currywurst, which was ace :p).

And please, after the party has been going on for two days or so, everyone knows that beer and other drinks cost one euro. Why not play demos on the big screen?

freeze/preacher: regarding the food stand, read my previous comment - another food stand offering also veggie food was planned, but the owner decided to screw us over because he didn't like the other food stands owner. Read more about that in some after-party-report to be seen soon.

freeze:
Of course we can't increase the size of the meadow. This is reality, where you can't simply resize things... remember? :)

LordGraka: There are no exact numbers available, but probably about 700 (sold tickets, not including orgas, vips, girls etc).

pro: We offered free ear plugs. Have a look at our timetable, it was packed with competitions and seminars, and there wasn't a single hour left without a compo/event/seminar. No way we could have an hour of silence before each important deadline.

wayfinder, i'm not flaming you as a person either, only in your function as a music compo organizer. it's just that i am REALLY pissed because i invested so much time and energy in this track and i know that it IS good, only that it is seemingly not pop enough for a demo party like that, which is BULLSHIT. why the fuck you guys don't throw out all those noise demos/videos out? i don't think they represent mainstream. it's pretty unfair that there is no preselection on the visual stuff like there is a preselection on the audio. either do this or no preselection at all!!!

i'm not advocating about every crap getting played. newbies doing music since a few months shouldn't count on getting their music played. it took me 2 years of attempting until i could pass the first music compo preselection in 1999. but i'm just talking about being a bit more openminded and present a larger variety of styles to the audience. i do beat/rhythm-orientated music, and the fact that i don't participate in this incestuous demo"style" thingie or try to pack 5 melodies in whatever i do doesn't make my music inferior.

but whatever. sorry, just had to get rid of this. to whom it is not concern, just skip it. and i surely realize that there goes my last chance to get played on any breakpoint ever to happen, but i dont care. probably i just should generate some random videojunk to my music and put it into a wildcompo. oh, what a difference!

dipswitch, I know it sucks when something you put a lot of effort into doesn't get the praise you feel it deserves. But since we did not spread the tracks that weren't played, you can enter this at another party (evoke seems to be a good place for you to get played, I'd say.)

thanks for the surely kindly-ment advice, but that doesn't change the general problem: a) the misproportion of "qualitycontrol"/"censorship"/howeveryoucallit between audial and visual compos and b) aesthetic narrowmindness of scene mainstream. but i don't want to start a discussion about this here, it's rather worth a detailed essay or whatever.

and yes, actually if you would spread preselected entries i wouldn't submit anything at all. but this time i was actually counting on getting played because the track was absolute round. and i don't need no "praise", i just want to show my music to people. especially when i feel that it's something that reached a state of expression i wanted it to have. and at this point breakpoint was a stepping stone for me. i know that there is barely nothing to improve from the technical point of view in my track. and from the aesthetical point of view, this is exactly what i wanted it to be. so it seems that my aesthetical approach to music differs so much from that of a common demoscener that i should put some consequences out of it. and they are surely not the way of compromising. but then i ask myself - why as a musician i am underthrown to the common scener's taste dictate while wanting to present my work, when at the same time a visual artist isn't?!?!?!?

i don't have ANYTHING against experimental visual work in the demoscene - in the contrary, please more of it!

but i want the fucking same threatment in a competition!!!

"threatment" -> "treatment" of coruse

dude. we made the track together. you see me complaining?

dude. the fact we did the track together that doesn't mean that we have to act about it in the same way.

...but we did spread the preselected tracks?! They were played on the big system after all, there wouldn't be much of a point in keeping them under wraps any more.

preselected = not played. just to make the terminology clear.

dipswitch: Shut up, you are making a fool out of yourself.

Music competitions have more entries that possibly could be played without annoying the audience. Thus a preselection is needed. This preselection is done by humans who have specific tastes for music. Their taste will differ from other peoples tastes, including yours.

From the music style you usually do I can say that most sceners probably won't like the music you create. This is backed up by the Evoke mp3 compo results - at this party you were an orga yourself, passed the preselection and still made one of the last places.

Also there would be nothing wrong with mostly having "mainstream" stuff in the compo - as long as it is *DEMOSCENE* mainstream. To find out what kind of music sceners prefer, watch more demos.

It is totally silly to complain about people not liking your music. I'd never complain if my happy hardcore music entries would get rejected in a music compo - I'm aware the music I create isn't enjoyable to most people.

If you think the music compo team of BP sucks, join the BP organizing team, and do all the work involved. Prepare to get beaten up by all scene musicians after the party, just like every single music compo orga was since demopartys exist.

And finally: Stop making such a shit-load of noise about every single aspect of the demoscene you don't like. You REALLY sound like a fanatic to many sceners who once respected you these days.

scamp, being an orga at evoke didn't make me pass the preselection, i assure you. i have nothing to do with music compos at evoke and didn't even count on hearing my music get played until it did.

plus, you absolutely haven't got my point. i am asking myself, what is the damn difference with the visual and audial entries that on the audial entries, orgas do all sort of mainstream filtering and on visual compos they don't give a fuck as long as its not too long? i think it's an injustice. and yes i realize that 70% could possibly not like my music, but isn't it legitime that i want to please the other 30%? and actually i thought preselection should base on the technical aspects of the musical execution, not on musical taste!

but let's stop it, it just gets silly and i am really not fond of this kind of discussions that are ready to burst in flames every second. i don't want no replies on this subject in here, if anyone has smth to say to me on this subject he can reach me otherwise.

yes i know, "fuckings to" have been inappropriate, but the rest of my point doesn't get invalid.

only on a last note: if people stop to "respect" me (whatever that might be) only because i am drawing attention on a fishy aspect of scene, then i don't care for whatever respect.

dipswitch: musicians being mistreated in demoparties is not really new ;) they aren't named *demo*parties for no reason, that why musicians make soundtracks for demos, that's hard implacable scene logics and mechanics!

do you want silent demos ? :P


hehe i should write a book: the demoscene for dummies :>

I wanna write something significant about Breakpoint '05, but truth be told, I'm too damn tired. (Just stepped out of the taxi from the airport. Even have my jacket still on.)

And the damn thing is, I'm not even home yet. One more bus ride...

My only genuine complaint about the party was arriving empty-handed. However, the production s_tec and myself are working on really isn't releaseable just yet. Oh well, shit happens.

At any rate, I'll make a nice party report when I arrive in Lloyd and get my internet reconnected.

And wow, did I ever meet a shitload of people.

dipswitch wrote:
preselected = not played. just to make the terminology clear.

Ah, okay, you're one of the people who got it the wrong way round. Preselected means it PASSED the preselection :) I hope that clears this up.

I know that you have a point - in fact, I've thought about this myself a lot. The general level of competence in the music competitions as a whole is higher than that in the Animation compo, in my opinion, and still one has a jury preselection and the other doesn't. But that is the way it currently is, and if we cannot immediately change it, we have to deal with it. Besides, if the situation is to change, it can only do so in the other direction than you propose - there simply IS NO WAY to play all entries to the music compos on the big screen. That is why we have the rules we have.

You made a song you were proud of, and it did not get preselected - ok, you're bummed. But don't make a conspiracy out of it. I am very confident that we chose a very, very good selection of tunes.

Let's just say dipswitch has been like this all the time, its just you suckers who ever took him for serious. He's and ASCII ARTIST, so... will you all just stop this, nobody cares about ascii nor selfproclaimed artists.

Lets go back to the meaning of this thread..


That it was a great party and that some people want cleaner showers and more toilettes.

Actually, as a little addendum, I think your misconception of what "preselection" really means could add to the conspiracy fears - if you think that the whole point of the procedure is to get rid of bad entries, you are wrong; it is about pre-selecting the entries that have most of that certain something that makes them enjoyable. What that something really IS, can be different for every track, of course. We do NOT discard less melodic entries just like that, because that would be stupid. In fact, we usually do not outright discard anything, since that isn't the point.