AI crap in compo entries?
category: general [glöplog]
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You think that we should remove pencils, pads and graphic tablets from the illustrators hands and make them write prompts?
No. I don't think anyone should force the hands of anyone.
Besides, not all prompts need to be written. You can prompt with anything, including drawings.
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The talent and craft they posess will be used to do minor corrections to what comes out of the machine.
You clearly underestimate the talent of current illustrators if you think their role will be that.
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Based on what he just said.
Can you quote it? I am not sure when he said anything about that.
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Dear ham and 4gentE: I don't know. I wouldn't totally rule it out, but it would be crazy presumptious to say so.
As a safe bet, I would say: Maybe some glimmers of art may shine through here and there.
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You clearly underestimate the talent of current illustrators if you think their role will be that.
I’m an old guy. I’ve been around for ages. Now I’m talking strictly local. i saw great graphic design. I saw graphic designers being substituted with computer nerds. I saw the field stagnate and deteriorate. I saw the field eventually come back, now with designers using computers. The field is on par with what it was before computers. Not a bit better. So, you get the drift. Illustrators out! Designers out! Prompt engineers, AI artists in. It’s not that prompt engineers will do a better job. They will do a cheaper job. Just good (or bad) enough. And if there are people in this scene today that see no difference, I imagine there’s a lot of executives that won’t see it. Only when we drive those creative, visually trained/talented people out, will we again see that the whole field deteriorated. Why this destruction? Why go in these dumb circles? Why bring the new barbarians, then wait for them to become cultured, then introduce new barbarians? We know the drill. OK, you don’t seem to know…
@4gentE: OK. Seems that bifat is a modest man.
Still, my question about what was the evidence you based your claim that bifat does not consider his demo art cannot be answered quoting a thing bifat said AFTER I asked for YOUR evidence.
Unless you can see the future or something paranormal like that, I'm sure you got another evidence, previous to whatever bifat said after I ask you for that.
Still, my question about what was the evidence you based your claim that bifat does not consider his demo art cannot be answered quoting a thing bifat said AFTER I asked for YOUR evidence.
Unless you can see the future or something paranormal like that, I'm sure you got another evidence, previous to whatever bifat said after I ask you for that.
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Still, my question about what was the evidence you based your claim that bifat does not consider his demo art cannot be answered quoting a thing bifat said AFTER I asked for YOUR evidence.
Unless you can see the future or something paranormal like that, I'm sure you got another evidence, previous to whatever bifat said after I ask you for that.
Oh, I don’t know. If I were you I’d think he said it already before. Or perhaps he said that nothing in the demoscene is art. Dunno. Or I’m paranormal. I can’t go fish all the way to the top now. Let’s just trust him.
Plus: I said “I believe…” - that implies a level of uncertainty I believe (pun!)
@4gentE: If you have been around for so many time, by now you should know that terms like "prompt engineer" are just SEO mumbo-jumbo at best. The job of illustrator will not disappear so easily. Even if you put the most advance generative AI in the hands of someone with no idea about art, the results will not be half the good of what an artist could do with worst AI (or with a pencil or brush or other more traditional tool, like Deluxe Paint).
There is no destruction on the horizon. And, even when better AI will arrive, human art will survive.
The circles you describe are tiny epicycles. The general tendency is toward better art and better tools. Soon human craft will be valued even more than ever or so I hope.
There is no destruction on the horizon. And, even when better AI will arrive, human art will survive.
The circles you describe are tiny epicycles. The general tendency is toward better art and better tools. Soon human craft will be valued even more than ever or so I hope.
To be fair, an easy definition of "objectively bad" would be "it got more downthumbs than upthumbs on pouet". Arguable, but objective nonetheless.
@fizzer: No. Since those thumbs simply express subjective opinions.
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change in the whole concept of working in “art” field
If you're talking about receiving money for your work, it's obviously less about what you enjoy, and more about what the employer/client/customer is willing to pay for.
@ham
I find it extremely hard to talk to you. Nothing personal. You seem inpenetrable to me. Like a true believer. It’s very hard to wrestle with belief.
I find it extremely hard to talk to you. Nothing personal. You seem inpenetrable to me. Like a true believer. It’s very hard to wrestle with belief.
Yes. Because the numbers are integers and thus one can be higher, lower, or equal objectively. We're free to define good and bad that way.
(@ham)
@4gentE
I also find you cryptic. But I don't seek for excuses to not to talk.
I also find you cryptic. But I don't seek for excuses to not to talk.
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half the good of what an artist could do with worst AI
Who will care what an artist can do? Output has to be just good enough and cheap. And no, I’m not talking about this sacred thing you guys call “art” or “real art” (choir music cue!) i’m talking about down-to-earth creative jobs.
No, no, I’m not avoiding talk (for now), I’m just saying i find it difficult.
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Yes. Because the numbers are integers and thus one can be higher, lower, or equal objectively. We're free to define good and bad that way.
Bullshit. Those tiny thumbs and numbers are a reductionist approach to the complexity of the real opinions that people are so lazy to put in the comments. :]
@ham
As you all probably know I hate talking about this prod, but since you talk about thumbups and thumbdowns and whatnot, pray tell what do you make of the prod? From zero to ten?
As you all probably know I hate talking about this prod, but since you talk about thumbups and thumbdowns and whatnot, pray tell what do you make of the prod? From zero to ten?
@4gentE
An artist would care.
Of course, if you are referring to jobs where "good enough and cheap" rule, then perhaps is not so bad that they could be done by someone with minimal "prompt engineering" knowledge. The current artists whose underpaid jobs are that way will rejoice when they could do that boring stuff faster and use the time they will gain to pursue more creative endeavors. Right?
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Who will care what an artist can do? Output has to be just good enough and cheap.
An artist would care.
Of course, if you are referring to jobs where "good enough and cheap" rule, then perhaps is not so bad that they could be done by someone with minimal "prompt engineering" knowledge. The current artists whose underpaid jobs are that way will rejoice when they could do that boring stuff faster and use the time they will gain to pursue more creative endeavors. Right?
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since you talk about thumbups and thumbdowns and whatnot, pray tell what do you make of the prod? From zero to ten?
I think thumbs make us lazy. And any one-dimensional numerical value would be more of the same as any prod can have a 3 on one department and a 10 in another than the real aesthetic value of that prod wouldn't be just a simple median.
For instance, some people can judge that prod as a demo, others as a slideshow, others as a pioneer use of a new technique, and so on.
My opinion about the prod is in the comment page. "Go, Toxic Modulo, go!". :]
than -> and*
I rate it sqrt(-1).
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Of course, if you are referring to jobs where "good enough and cheap" rule, then perhaps is not so bad that they could be done by someone with minimal "prompt engineering" knowledge. The current artists whose underpaid jobs are that way will rejoice when they could do that boring stuff faster and use the time they will gain to pursue more creative endeavors. Right?
Oh my god what a dystopia. You seem to think that creative work is a chore to be disposed with. That people hate that work.
This is weird to me. You seem to have this sacred vision of the “true artist”. I can’t pinpoint who this “true artist” is in your mind and what he does? He “arts”? Name an example artist maybe? While all the others except for this artist are what? Slaves? They hate drawing/painting/pixeling and can’t wait to go to prompt engineering?
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My opinion about the prod is in the comment page. "Go, Toxic Modulo, go!". :]
So we can’t get a quantised mark from you? Interesting. Be free to divide into categories and give a 0-10 in each if it’s easier / more fair. You said thumbs are lazy.
This is interesting. Several people seemed to complain that this prod is being severely and unjustly underrated. I asked the proponents; bifat, krill, ham to rate the prod, so that we can see what do they think the prod justly deserves. All 3 refused. What happened guys? Are you perhaps not so sure anymore that the product is good? C’mon, stick it to the bashers, be honest! What’s to lose?
I certainly won’t rate it, but I can tell you one thing. This product is ART. Without a doubt. You know what makes it art? The length of this thread. That’s what elevates it to art status. The amount of words, thoughts, discussion. This is a classic piece of artistic performance/provocation.
I certainly won’t rate it, but I can tell you one thing. This product is ART. Without a doubt. You know what makes it art? The length of this thread. That’s what elevates it to art status. The amount of words, thoughts, discussion. This is a classic piece of artistic performance/provocation.
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@4gentE
Quote:Who will care what an artist can do? Output has to be just good enough and cheap.
An artist would care.
Of course, if you are referring to jobs where "good enough and cheap" rule, then perhaps is not so bad that they could be done by someone with minimal "prompt engineering" knowledge. The current artists whose underpaid jobs are that way will rejoice when they could do that boring stuff faster and use the time they will gain to pursue more creative endeavors. Right?
wrong. you could go back to my first post in this thread and read up on why it's wrong.
