So, how dead is it?
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In the end, "the scene is dead" says more about the person saying it, than the thing that's being observed.
100 times this!
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But it is a fact that there are no PC diskmags any more.In the end, "the scene is dead" says more about the person saying it, than the thing that's being observed.
nothing stopping you from making one!
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But it is a fact that there are no PC diskmags any more.
well, the internet proved to be a more effective place for sharing articles and especially news. there are still interviews (sometimes linked on the main page), there are still party reports occasionally and there are still making ofs around. and there is your perfect website, so no need for diskmags.
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Quote:But it is a fact that there are no PC diskmags any more.
well, the internet proved to be a more effective place for sharing articles and especially news. there are still interviews (sometimes linked on the main page), there are still party reports occasionally and there are still making ofs around. and there is your perfect website, so no need for diskmags.
Disagree. Almost all sites of the early 2000s where there were articles, reports, interviews have now sunk into oblivion. And many of today's sites will also die in 10-20 years. And the diskmags are all intact and available for download and reading. Not to mention that a diskmag is much more than a website.
ok, archival is a good point.
I agree with bitl.
To be honest, I'm not keen on starting a new diskmag. I was doing this for such a long time and I seriously wonder why there is nobody else who would be ready to invest time in such an endeavour. After all, as a colleague from the C64 scene said, "every idiot can make a diskmag"...
The facts that nothing has been posted to the pouet.net BBS in the past three hours and that the winner demos of Assembly and Evoke 2023 have only been watched 600 times on YouTube make me think that the scene has indeed become smaller and easier to oversee. It is not dead but it has declined.
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The facts that nothing has been posted to the pouet.net BBS in the past three hours and that the winner demos of Assembly and Evoke 2023 have only been watched 600 times on YouTube make me think that the scene has indeed become smaller and easier to oversee. It is not dead but it has declined.
It's clear. Noobs hardly come to demoscene, and olds leave. Of course the community has become smaller.
But we'll hold out for a while. The scene is alive as long as the last demoscender is alive :)
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The facts that nothing has been posted to the pouet.net BBS in the past three hours and that the winner demos of Assembly and Evoke 2023 have only been watched 600 times on YouTube make me think that the scene has indeed become smaller and easier to oversee. It is not dead but it has declined.
"The Legend of Sisyphus" runs pretty smooth on a GTX1080 so there is less need to watch a video.
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It's clear. Noobs hardly come to demoscene, and olds leave. Of course the community has become smaller.
Wonder how this relates against the rate of decline in freeware gamemaking scene or hobbyist programmers in general
The demoscene is mostly European and of work age. It's been office hours in Europe for the past couple of hours.
Also, there are more than one capture of The Legend of Sisyphus on YouTube. AssemblyTV's capture has 2.7K views. AssemblyTV's capture of the entire compo has 1.1K views. Add to that the amount of people who saw it live at Messukeskus or on Twitch. Plus, of course, the people watching it via the executable, although I'd wager that's a marginal group compared to the rest.
Has interest in the demoscene declined? Perhaps, and that's to be expected with a lot more digital culture for it to compete against than in 1995. Even so, the fact that we have a Legend of Sisyphus at all makes me think we're doing pretty OK for now.
Also, there are more than one capture of The Legend of Sisyphus on YouTube. AssemblyTV's capture has 2.7K views. AssemblyTV's capture of the entire compo has 1.1K views. Add to that the amount of people who saw it live at Messukeskus or on Twitch. Plus, of course, the people watching it via the executable, although I'd wager that's a marginal group compared to the rest.
Has interest in the demoscene declined? Perhaps, and that's to be expected with a lot more digital culture for it to compete against than in 1995. Even so, the fact that we have a Legend of Sisyphus at all makes me think we're doing pretty OK for now.
heh, my personal youtube channel has another 2.9k views. Numbers are ok, they used to be much higher (I think planet risk hit half million combined exe and youtube) but it is what it is. Asm had like ten creative compos each with ten entries.Not all of them brilliant but people did try their best!
There are demoparties with tons of entries nearly every week through the year, lots of cool prods released constantly, new weird platforms becoming active, new kids joining in (not many of them but yes, they exist, I've seen them with my own eyes).. If this is "dead", what would be considered "alive"? All of the Twitch gamers converting overnight into active demoscene members?
Nevermind, I don't know why I take part in this silly conversation anyway. I'm tempted to go find that certain 1989 diskmag where an "oldschool scener" lamented about how dead the scene of that day was :)
Nevermind, I don't know why I take part in this silly conversation anyway. I'm tempted to go find that certain 1989 diskmag where an "oldschool scener" lamented about how dead the scene of that day was :)
it has always been Schrödinger's scene, it's both dead and alive at the same time. It's kinda wonderful tbh
But, according to Schrödinger, it's only simultaneously dead and alive until you open the box. :]
If no one is observing an Assembly winner on YouTube, the scene cannot be in a well-defined state of dead
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But, according to Schrödinger, it's only simultaneously dead and alive until you open the box. :]
That's why we never open the box
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it has always been Schrödinger's scene, it's both dead and alive at the same time. It's kinda wonderful tbh
haha, that's a lovely way to put it! back when I started following the scene, around 20 years ago there were the same discussions as they are now, just with different "buzzwords". Eg. it was said that 3d acc is killing the demoscene, or it was asked where's the art if "all" new demos being 3d-flybys... then there was the same discussion with raymarching, and now we have AI killing the art and the scene.
Parties however have been as alive and kicking as they've always been, and now we have shader-showdowns, we have a much bigger sizecoding community, we have great tools like well, tooll and cables.gl, we have a rennaissance of A500 demos etc. etc.
So yeah, I stopped taking these discussions seriously.
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Even so, the fact that we have a Legend of Sisyphus at all makes me think we're doing pretty OK for now.
Yeah, made by a group who's been making demos for 20+ years now.
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lots of cool prods released constantly
By the same people, year over year.
I'm really tired of saying this over and over but it's the same handful of people who run everything. Not dead? Sure. But thank the few people keeping it alive, and better yet, make sure their bus factor lowers significantly.
I've been looking for replacements for the things I do (because none of it is fun anymore and I'm tired) for years now and there are just no options.
@Gargaj: Evoke’s Newcomer-Award shows that there are new people coning to the scene every year.
That doesn't address anything I said.