Revision 2022 Survey
category: parties [glöplog]
We are currently in the process of organizing Revision 2022 both as an in-person event as well as the online version we had for the past two editions.
We want to be honest with you, and sadly, the probability of Revision being an in-person event in 2022 is shrinking every week. If you are following the current numbers and facts about the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, we are sure that you share our sentiment.
So how would Revision even look like?
First of all, only fully vaccinated or recovered people will be able to attend. Fully vaccinated will very probably mean having a "booster" shot on top of your base vaccination. Additionally, there will be mandatory antigen tests on location every day before entering the main hall.
For safety reasons, we will not have a sleeping area in the E Werk nor will camping be possible - so every visitor would have to stay at a Hotel, AirBnB or similar.
We will also have to limit tickets to avoid overcrowding and tickets will only be available for purchase online.
Since the entertainment industry has partially collapsed, all our rental fees have gone up significantly, which will not only affect Revision 2022 but all future editions as well. In addition to that, testing facilities and security requirements will also be quite costly. To compensate for that we will have to raise the entrance fee.
We know that we're not painting the prettiest picture but we are still trying to make it happen!
So that's where you come in now - we need to gather some data from all of you to check how you feel about the necessary changes.
Thanks for participating <3
Revision 2022 Quick Survey
We want to be honest with you, and sadly, the probability of Revision being an in-person event in 2022 is shrinking every week. If you are following the current numbers and facts about the ongoing Covid-19 pandemic, we are sure that you share our sentiment.
So how would Revision even look like?
First of all, only fully vaccinated or recovered people will be able to attend. Fully vaccinated will very probably mean having a "booster" shot on top of your base vaccination. Additionally, there will be mandatory antigen tests on location every day before entering the main hall.
For safety reasons, we will not have a sleeping area in the E Werk nor will camping be possible - so every visitor would have to stay at a Hotel, AirBnB or similar.
We will also have to limit tickets to avoid overcrowding and tickets will only be available for purchase online.
Since the entertainment industry has partially collapsed, all our rental fees have gone up significantly, which will not only affect Revision 2022 but all future editions as well. In addition to that, testing facilities and security requirements will also be quite costly. To compensate for that we will have to raise the entrance fee.
We know that we're not painting the prettiest picture but we are still trying to make it happen!
So that's where you come in now - we need to gather some data from all of you to check how you feel about the necessary changes.
Thanks for participating <3
Revision 2022 Quick Survey
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Additional question: What if the dayly antigen test is positive? Does that mean quarantine for 5 or 10 days in your hotel before allowed going home to country of origin? That could be an expensive risc for a visitor? Or.. ?
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Additional question: What if the dayly antigen test is positive? Does that mean quarantine for 5 or 10 days in your hotel before allowed going home to country of origin? That could be an expensive risc for a visitor? Or.. ?
Yes, that would be your own risk (and money) if that happens.
As of how and when you can return - that will have to be determined by the rules and regulations that are in effect around Easter 2022.
Well I put in my 2 cents.
Filled. I'm pretty much willing to do anything to be able to attend my first Revision.
Filled it out, too, but yeah I have to say I'm leaning to not going.
I'm quite happy to wear a mask, I got vaccinated and boosted, daily tests are OK... I'm fine with all the requirements to make such a thing happen, but I have to take a plane to get there and then a train into town.
That on top of the potential to possibly get it anyway somehow while there (I typically only go to the party hall and hotel, but have gotten some food bits from local shops before, etc.) and being stuck in the hotel quarantining* with the potential to need to change return travel plans... eaaahhh.
* No complaints on that, it's the right thing to do to squirrel away until safe, but all things considered it's safer/easier for me to stay home and watch from home with a supporter ticket. 😕
Also, the US is pretty bad in spots and I can't imagine people are looking very favorably on us right now as to how people are dealing with this.
If I lived over there I think I'd be leaning more toward going, but oh well. 2023...24? 😢
I'm quite happy to wear a mask, I got vaccinated and boosted, daily tests are OK... I'm fine with all the requirements to make such a thing happen, but I have to take a plane to get there and then a train into town.
That on top of the potential to possibly get it anyway somehow while there (I typically only go to the party hall and hotel, but have gotten some food bits from local shops before, etc.) and being stuck in the hotel quarantining* with the potential to need to change return travel plans... eaaahhh.
* No complaints on that, it's the right thing to do to squirrel away until safe, but all things considered it's safer/easier for me to stay home and watch from home with a supporter ticket. 😕
Also, the US is pretty bad in spots and I can't imagine people are looking very favorably on us right now as to how people are dealing with this.
If I lived over there I think I'd be leaning more toward going, but oh well. 2023...24? 😢
I'll definitely attend if it becomes a thing but I can understand the monumental amount of work involved to dance around the regulations while trying to not lose all your hair over the risk of cancellation.
Also this is just personal experience but travel is usually quite painless.
You get restrictions that tend to change all the time but usually as long as you're not on a "red list", you usually have nothing to worry about.
After that it's generally these:
- Valid 72/48hrs PCR before airport gate OR arrival (time from when sample was collected, 48-72 depends on country)
Most places offer 24hr tests, some 12,8 or even 3hrs. My average over a bunch of tests is around 8-10hrs
- Covid vaccine cert, inside EU it's typically the QR code or just authentic looking enough papers to get you across
- Masks, some airliners require FFP masks (Lufthansa) but most are fine with the bulk surgical masks.
- Arrival form (Some countries require this but also might just never collect it). It's something you can do in a few minutes and just asks for your basic info, flight number/time/etc..
In the end, as long as you're not on red list, you have your PCR and vaccine certificate then you can just go around as usual, except that the check-in process/immigration might take ages as some times they go over whatever bitmask of the week restrictions your destination country X wanted to enforce compared to it's neighbours.
I suggest checking arrival lists for each country, usually these are laid out very clearly and easily available.
One good thing is that airliners have been quite flexible regarding covid times and usually are pretty lenient with rebooking due to this.
Also while I do not suggest you do this but the borders are some times very relaxed between the neghbouring countries. My experience during september was that we had a meetup with friends in Belgium and there were no ground restrictions between Germany/Netherlands/France. In some cases country A would want a quarantine for someone arriving from England and country B wouldn't.
Also this is just personal experience but travel is usually quite painless.
You get restrictions that tend to change all the time but usually as long as you're not on a "red list", you usually have nothing to worry about.
After that it's generally these:
- Valid 72/48hrs PCR before airport gate OR arrival (time from when sample was collected, 48-72 depends on country)
Most places offer 24hr tests, some 12,8 or even 3hrs. My average over a bunch of tests is around 8-10hrs
- Covid vaccine cert, inside EU it's typically the QR code or just authentic looking enough papers to get you across
- Masks, some airliners require FFP masks (Lufthansa) but most are fine with the bulk surgical masks.
- Arrival form (Some countries require this but also might just never collect it). It's something you can do in a few minutes and just asks for your basic info, flight number/time/etc..
In the end, as long as you're not on red list, you have your PCR and vaccine certificate then you can just go around as usual, except that the check-in process/immigration might take ages as some times they go over whatever bitmask of the week restrictions your destination country X wanted to enforce compared to it's neighbours.
I suggest checking arrival lists for each country, usually these are laid out very clearly and easily available.
One good thing is that airliners have been quite flexible regarding covid times and usually are pretty lenient with rebooking due to this.
Also while I do not suggest you do this but the borders are some times very relaxed between the neghbouring countries. My experience during september was that we had a meetup with friends in Belgium and there were no ground restrictions between Germany/Netherlands/France. In some cases country A would want a quarantine for someone arriving from England and country B wouldn't.
If Revision is happening, I'll be there!
I'd love for an in-person Revision to happen again, and I'd attend, too.
Whatever it takes, I'd be there!
Hi everyone,
I'll try to keep this brief and would appreciate respectful replies if you do not agree with my views and would like to say anything about them.
Thanks in advance.
I'm vaccinated and wear a mask when required. I am just over 40 years of age, in good health and do not have any pre existing medical conditions which could make me vulnerable to the effects of covid 19.
I will not be getting a booster shot, which means I not be able to go to a party that requires me to do so.
I do not believe in mandates deciding what someone can do with their body, and I also do not believe in medical segregation based upon if someone is vaccinated or not.
No one should be excluded from any part of society because they decide for whatever reason to not be vaccinated.
It's an incredibly dangerous course of action that that I do not believe can ever be justified.
During the first year we had a lockdown I stood completely behind the measures taken as very little was known about the virus and with something like that it is better to err on the side of caution.
After two years there's more than enough evidence and data in for me to come to the conclusion that things like the incredibly low fatality rate and high infections rates do not warrant giving up our civil liberties, rights and freedoms.
No demoparty organization is responsible for me or my well being in regards to covid, I would rather sign something legal stating that I come to a party being fully aware of the incredibly small risk that I may contract a virus that will probably cause mild discomfort as I have now been vaccinated.
If someone decides to also sign the same form and come to the party unvaccinated then I believe that this is their choice to make not mine or the organizations, if they decide to take a greater risk than me then I will respect it even if I would not agree with it.
The price of a democratic society is that some people will do things that you disagree with.
We're all adults and we know what we're getting into.
I have nothing but love and respect for Revision and the orgas who've made it happen year after year.
I really hope none of you feel attacked in any way, that is not my intention.
I do not believe in any conspiracy and I am not against being vaccinated.
I do think that there is a huge amount of misinformation, fear, mass hysteria and a lot of decisions made by incompetent politicians.
Every day I try not to be right, but less wrong in the face of incomplete information.
May you all stay in good health.
I'll try to keep this brief and would appreciate respectful replies if you do not agree with my views and would like to say anything about them.
Thanks in advance.
I'm vaccinated and wear a mask when required. I am just over 40 years of age, in good health and do not have any pre existing medical conditions which could make me vulnerable to the effects of covid 19.
I will not be getting a booster shot, which means I not be able to go to a party that requires me to do so.
I do not believe in mandates deciding what someone can do with their body, and I also do not believe in medical segregation based upon if someone is vaccinated or not.
No one should be excluded from any part of society because they decide for whatever reason to not be vaccinated.
It's an incredibly dangerous course of action that that I do not believe can ever be justified.
During the first year we had a lockdown I stood completely behind the measures taken as very little was known about the virus and with something like that it is better to err on the side of caution.
After two years there's more than enough evidence and data in for me to come to the conclusion that things like the incredibly low fatality rate and high infections rates do not warrant giving up our civil liberties, rights and freedoms.
No demoparty organization is responsible for me or my well being in regards to covid, I would rather sign something legal stating that I come to a party being fully aware of the incredibly small risk that I may contract a virus that will probably cause mild discomfort as I have now been vaccinated.
If someone decides to also sign the same form and come to the party unvaccinated then I believe that this is their choice to make not mine or the organizations, if they decide to take a greater risk than me then I will respect it even if I would not agree with it.
The price of a democratic society is that some people will do things that you disagree with.
We're all adults and we know what we're getting into.
I have nothing but love and respect for Revision and the orgas who've made it happen year after year.
I really hope none of you feel attacked in any way, that is not my intention.
I do not believe in any conspiracy and I am not against being vaccinated.
I do think that there is a huge amount of misinformation, fear, mass hysteria and a lot of decisions made by incompetent politicians.
Every day I try not to be right, but less wrong in the face of incomplete information.
May you all stay in good health.
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Hi everyone,
I'll try to keep this brief and would appreciate respectful replies if you do not agree with my views and would like to say anything about them.
Thanks in advance.
I'm vaccinated and wear a mask when required. I am just over 40 years of age, in good health and do not have any pre existing medical conditions which could make me vulnerable to the effects of covid 19.
I will not be getting a booster shot, which means I wil not be able to go to a party that requires me to do so.
I do not believe in mandates deciding what someone can do with their body, and I also do not believe in medical segregation based upon if someone is vaccinated or not.
No one should be excluded from any part of society because they decide for whatever reason to not be vaccinated.
It's an incredibly dangerous course of action that that I do not believe can ever be justified.
During the first year we had a lockdown I stood completely behind the measures taken as very little was known about the virus and with something like that it is better to err on the side of caution.
After two years there's more than enough evidence and data in for me to come to the conclusion that things like the incredibly low fatality rate and high infections rates do not warrant giving up our civil liberties, rights and freedoms.
No demoparty organization is responsible for me or my well being in regards to covid, I would rather sign something legal stating that I come to a party being fully aware of the incredibly small risk that I may contract a virus that will probably cause mild discomfort as I have now been vaccinated.
If someone decides to also sign the same form and come to the party unvaccinated then I believe that this is their choice to make not mine or the organizations, if they decide to take a greater risk than me then I will respect it even if I would not agree with it.
The price of a democratic society is that some people will do things that you disagree with.
We're all adults and we know what we're getting into.
I have nothing but love and respect for Revision and the orgas who've made it happen year after year.
I really hope none of you feel attacked in any way, that is not my intention.
I do not believe in any conspiracy and I am not against being vaccinated.
I do think that there is a huge amount of misinformation, fear, mass hysteria and a lot of decisions made by incompetent politicians.
Every day I try not to be right, but less wrong in the face of incomplete information.
May you all stay in good health.
whoops, tried to edit a message and it quotes and posts again. My bad xD
Fun fact: People, who make the decision to smoke, are also (socially) segregated. They can only gather in dedicated areas for this activity, stay outside or at do it at home. For decades now. Why? Because their activity (which very well documented is unhealthy for their own body) endangers the health of others.
If you endanger others with your way of life, it was your choice to segregate yourself. Mentally, culturally and socially. If you are not segregated despite that, it is simply because society a) shows courtesy or b) is controlled and dominated by your kind.
If you endanger others with your way of life, it was your choice to segregate yourself. Mentally, culturally and socially. If you are not segregated despite that, it is simply because society a) shows courtesy or b) is controlled and dominated by your kind.
Survey filled.
I agree with what andr0 said, but I understand that the orgas are anticipating the most likely government rules the event would be operating under and don't have a lot of latitude. I can live with some restrictions in the spirit of supporting the event, as long as the rules are reasonable and as close as possible to the minimum legally required.
I agree with what andr0 said, but I understand that the orgas are anticipating the most likely government rules the event would be operating under and don't have a lot of latitude. I can live with some restrictions in the spirit of supporting the event, as long as the rules are reasonable and as close as possible to the minimum legally required.
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I'm vaccinated and wear a mask when required. I am just over 40 years of age, in good health and do not have any pre existing medical conditions which could make me vulnerable to the effects of covid 19.
I will not be getting a booster shot, which means I not be able to go to a party that requires me to do so.
I don't get it, how is the first and second shot okay, but not the third? They're the same thing. (I know they might not be, I got an mRNA booster after two adenoviral shots - but for the sake of argument let's consider them the same.)
Gargaj: the value proposition for the booster (from an individual's perspective) is just a lot worse. Much smaller increase in protection than original vaccination, roughly same risks / side effects.
Oh for f... this is gonna turn into "read-this-link-no-read-this-link-no-that-link-sucks-read-this-link", isn't it.
Not from my side lol, I've had more than my fill of covid discussions these last 2 years. Also I don't want to highjack this thread too much. I'm not expecting you to agree with me, but I hope you appreciate that sane and reasonable people can have diverging opinions on these issues.
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I don't get it, how is the first and second shot okay, but not the third? They're the same thing. (I know they might not be, I got an mRNA booster after two adenoviral shots - but for the sake of argument let's consider them the same.)
How about the fourth? And the fifth? How about ten? Or how about every six months? Every week? Every day?
Why not? It's free.
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Fun fact: People, who make the decision to smoke, are also (socially) segregated. They can only gather in dedicated areas for this activity, stay outside or at do it at home. For decades now. Why? Because their activity (which very well documented is unhealthy for their own body) endangers the health of others.
If you endanger others with your way of life, it was your choice to segregate yourself. Mentally, culturally and socially. If you are not segregated despite that, it is simply because society a) shows courtesy or b) is controlled and dominated by your kind.
Salinga.
There is a respiratory virus that endangers a very small amount of the population (mainly the elderly and people with pre existing conditions)
People who are not vaccinated do not endanger others. They run a higher risk than those that are actually unvaccinated though if you are under 65 the risk is very very small.
Those who smoke are not being excluded from parts of the society. They can pop outside, have a puff and then go on with their day. People do not have to have a QR code proving that they do not smoke to participate in society.
To blame the unvaccinated for a naturally occurring respiratory virus is absolute madness. To mob, blame and bully them is Orwellian at best.
Gargaj,I could explain and defend my point of view with links and arguments, which to be honest is something that should always be encouraged (though I won't right now as I'm trying to make other points clear in regards to the party)
I've done my research and have decided the risk of something happening to me is incredibly small, and last but not least I must always have the basic right to decide what happens to my body.
My main point was to raise awareness for the fact that I decide what risk I take in life, not an organization.
As an example here in Berlin a Meetup was moved from an open public cafe where people convene to an online event.
Berlin is not in a lockdown, the cafe will only allow people in who are vaccinated. The rules and regulations are being followed to the letter.
I told the orgas of the meetup, I believe you should offer the online version and make clear to people they can go meet in person if they feel safe enough to do so.
They say (without being qualified to decide such a thing for others) that the current situation is too dangerous.
This obviously isn't the same scale or magnitude as Revision, yet the essence is pretty much the same.
I say offer the party within the existing rules but do not believe that you are qualified enough to decide what constitutes risk for others. Leave that to the actual authorities.
I don't agree with all the current rules but hey that's a democracy, no one gets everything they want ;-)