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"but cant scene.org make a diference by explaining to them what the roots of our scene are?"

well it could... if there would be something more than a deserted forum, 1 news message per month and a little faq
hidden somewhere behind 5 clicks who doesnt says much more than "we are all geeky collegue students doing some realtime shit, for further infos visit ojuice,pouet,...".

You make the scene alive, my friend !
Scene.org diskspace shall be granted for demoscene contributors.
That is.

Well, the difference I meant was that in one case, the person in question actually wants to be part of the scene (as-is) by himself... while in the other case, the scene will adapt (allow/support netlabels, hoping that they will participate in demo-ish activity, and stuff like that), hoping to lure the person into the scene.

I suppose the first is a marriage out of love, the second is a business-marriage.

the question is, do we want sex or love?
most ppl would say both. ;)

shifter, i don't get it: you seem to imply we have to do more to attract new sceners, but in the same paragraph you tell us you were lured into the scene by a warez trader with a copy of second reality. so what did the demoscene do to convince you? producing great demo(s), that's it, nothing else, the rest was taken care of by that warez dude. i don't see why such a scheme would work any less today than it did 15 years ago. :-)

I'm not really sure where you got the impression that I found the way I was introduced to pc demos objectionable ....and he wasn't my personal piracy (=cancer lol) man :)

I was merely asking where Scali would draw the line, as he seems somewhat worried about people getting forced into the demoscene without being really spirited.

While I doubt I would have never gotten into this crazy passtime ever, the "shut up. sit down. watch this shit. it's awesome" method sure as hell sped up things :)

i suddenly stumbled over the scene, and from then i wing up in it

shifter, ok cool, so we agree that it's fine to let warez kids (and whoever else as long as it isn't me) handle the demoscene's recruitment procedures :-)

you see, once they have lured the kids inside, i'll be happy to pat them on the back or kick their butts every once in a while to keep them motivated. i was just afraid you were going to ask me to do the oude pekela'ing myself, that's all :-)

i think gaia is killing the scene with his new job:

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killing the scene since 1982

No PS, you're not killing the scene. Unlike some people here, you don't release evil softsynth that degrade nice sceners to filthy consumers.

FUCKINGS TO PEOPLE WHO DO THAT! (whose nickname starts with K and ends with B)

and fickings to skrebbel as well \o/

PS killing the scene?......NOT, Give yourself some credit buddy, PS For Presedent.

that punker guy looks like Slummy!

maali - same dude, different hair:

I think that in the days of Second Reality and such, the demoscene was more 'coherent'...
A lot of demos were quite similar, both in style (graphics, music) and in quality (even across platforms).

These days... well I don't know... If the.popular.demo was my first exposure to the scene, and I'd go to pouet.net and expect to download similar demos, I'd be in for a disappointment.
I guess that FR is pretty much the only group that still (rather consistently) outputs productions that appeal to non-demosceners.
Most other stuff is either party-prod, filled with in-jokes, running on exotic platforms, or just too 'MTV' to really appeal to people who aren't already in the scene.
It seems that people are familiar with Farbrausch these days, but not necessarily relate that to the demoscene, or make them interested in the demoscene, not beyond FR itself anyway.

But that is just my theory on today's situation.

stuff was more coherent back then, coz there was just less 'style' to pick from. later when pcs got faster and 3d, a lot more fx got possible and stuff got more experimental ;)

the day all demos look like farbrausch prods for 'coherency' reasons is the day the scene's truely dead.

(monotony never attracks people)

scali, then please explain to me how of all people kosmoplovci manage to get people near them (i.e. belgrade) interested in the scene?

at a totally non-scene non-computer event in eindhoven i met a guy from belgrade who knew kosmoplovci and as such, had a clue about the demoscene. he'd been attending their demoparties and was totally happy to meet other people who thought realtime generated visual art is cool.

i mean, kosmoplovci demos aren't particularly "the popular demo".

First of all, I didn't say that FR was the ONLY group to possibly be able to get people interested in the demoscene.
And secondly, don't throw every exception at me... Ofcourse there will be people who like certain demos, if you look hard enough. That wasn't the point.

Thirdly, I didn't say that all demos should be clones of FR demos... In fact, most of FR's demos don't look anything alike...

And lastly, I think Kosmoplovci is horrible.

heh, no need to get so offended man :)
i was merely stating that there are different people having different motives for getting interested in the demoscene, and obscure minimalist visual art is surely one of them.

that said, i'd like to add that kosmoplovci absolutely rule. let's fight it out over a beer at breakpoint!

kosmoplovci is a group that takes your mind in control with their stuff and fuck around with it without a second thought... i never did drugs and thanks to kooi i dont think i'll ever need to ;)

oh no gaia, wtf have you done to yourself.

SLUMMY 2.0 FROM DENMARK

I want some pubic hair.

i dont think people should make demos as fr and kosmoplovci, they should rather see what works in their demos, and experiment with the effects/whatever to make a own stylee :)

He bears no resemblance to slummy