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i deny new netlabels and artists space on scene.org on a regular basis, the most common reason is that they dont seem to have a connection to the scene: no demoparty participation, no affiliation with groups who do. no reference to oldskool trading or 8bit fetishes.

some do 8bit stuff, and remixes of game music, and it sounds great, but do they deserve a directory on scene.org for it alone? shouldnt they be known respected sceners first?

is scene.org supposed to be a repository for all slightly scene relevant artists and productions?

arent we alienating newcomers by denying them access to resources that the veterans possess?

there are many reasons to not want to give space to everyone who wants it:
- we dont want a folder filled with crap versions of a track that no one cares about.
- we dont want to delete tracks when the artist gets a record deal (read, he is using the scene to get feedback on his track, not feeding his free art)
- we dont want an outdated folder with just a couple tracks from some artist that no scener seems to ever have met

but, the scene as we know it has cracked itself these past years into graphics and music sites and groups. while in the old days most of everything circulating the web/bbs was considered part of the scene, these days, it isnt, most of the artists doing pics on deviantart and tracks for mp3.com clones really know shit of the scene. they know communities exist, but they dont accept them as part of the trading free digital art scene, they dont even know what it is exactly, they might know some ppl make demos and would be cool to do some but they dont know anyone who is into it, so they dont care.

we are becoming a niche inside a niche. a smaller group, a core of pretentious arrogant gods. does scene.org giving free space for artists who apply because they heard we give free space for artists who do, make it a larger family? am i killing the scene for denying them freespace due to a missing link to farbrausch on their homepage?

Arrogant gods? Um... There has always been a gap between the leet and the lame.
The sceners I looked up to in the early nineties.. I respect them more than pop stars, athletes, world leaders.
I guess the scene isn't big enough for such a big gap anymore. But the ones you are talking about are not even a part of the scene?
So, no. People should prove themselves first. And at least be a part of a group which actually releases something on the demo scene.

That being said, I never showed much of my graphics in public, so I fear that you wouldn't give me a directory either. You bastard!! ;)

sceners for the sceners.. being on scene.org is (for me) something which you've got to deserve.

btw, i thought kb was killing the scene =)))

You have every right to deny valueable archive space to non-relevant accounts. But I do wonder what ever happened to my Scene Zine appilcation filed over a year ago...

BTW I'm an artist in deviantART...

and yes I applied as an artist as well.

pat: i told you on the scenerep forums, back when i still used them, to just zip the html and upload it to incoming/mags/scenezine/, that you didnt need to apply for mags space. you just never did.

oh interesting! lol. I must have skipped over your message. I apologize.

erm.. i remember you replyed to it......

I'm a pan-american. What do you expect?

I never got my web space for my demogroup! But that was years ago... I switched to planet-d then ;)

That's what you get for asking for it to Redhound on IRC instead of filling an application.

- "sure, I'll do it when i have some free time"

\o/

PS [Post-Scriptum, not /tpolm]: no, i'm not asking for it

ps, i guess it's basically a question of "free demoscene space" vs "free artist space" then. the vast majority if the current netlabel scene knows about as much about demos as my refridgerator does, so if the 'scene' in 'scene.org' refers to only the demoscene (which is how you're currently profiling yourselves), then i see no reason to accept netlabelscene space requests of people that have nothing to do with demos.

i guess the netlabel scene always 'has' archive.org, though i reckon scene.org is much cooler (faster, more mirrors, bla).

about how hard it is to determine if a space request has something to do with the demoscene - maybe you should add a field on apply.txt stating "please clarify your (group's) relevance to the demoscene" or something. it'll sound like a very silly question to demogroups applying for space, but not necessarily to everyone.

jcl, redhound and free time does not compute. :)

i mostly agree with what people have already said. better to keep the entry level bit high even if that means sometimes some cool stuff don't get approved. scene.org is primary a demoscene repository, if an applicant don't have any/some reference to the scene it's a valid reason not to host them.

I always enjoy stumbling over 'scene.org' hosting in unexpected but still suitable places. And I'm positive that 'scene.org' hosting of non-scene yet compatible (in terms of approach, philosophy and technology) content creates interest or at least awareness for the demoscene. Since the mechanisms of discovering / understanding / joining the demoscene completely changed since the 80ies and early 90ies (when you almost automatically got in touch with the scene through swapping disks for you Amiga) it might (will) be essential for the future of the demoscene to create spaces of overlap, cooperation and exchange.

That doesn't mean serving them all. Deciding up to demoscene relevance / compatibility and certain commitment to active support / exchange / participation makes sense to me. PS will do :)

this is not a matter of arrogance. the guys are just not interested in what we do. which is completely ok, they are not required to, nor should they 'deserve' their place in our scene. they are just walking their own, different path.

if they are a significant community, they will organize hosting in more suitable places or create ones. that's more healthier for everyone, both us and them.

I don't understand why scene.org should hold private galleries of any author, scener or not. There are alot better places to host music and graphics.

"if an applicant don't have any/some reference to the scene it's a valid reason not to host them."

I agree with melw. And if much non-scene stuff is accepted then the demoscene will be more "washed" out and will be hard to recognize.

agree with megadelux

just make sure hold a lengthy explanation about what's the demoscene and why the should contribute before you deny their applications ;)

ps: next time you want to fool us, just say you are jarig ok? this isn't even half as funny imho...

Most has been said already, courtesy of Matti and Stefan.

What doesn't help is the subjectivity of the concept 'scene'. I get into the cutest of arguments with people from the goth scene, bdsm scene, dance scene, drug scene etc about what the scene is. I'm sure you know where that heads off to in a hurry.

Most of those people who have shit to do with the demoscene have their own ideas about what's interesting. Nothing new about that.

if i do porn movies with sceners do i qualify to be a scener?

i love the concept of netlabels - but some individuals are so fucking arrogant towards the demoscene (as to be seen in the user-comments for the evoke netlabelnight on phlow.net or somewhere else). people/labels who not only are not connected to the scene, but even are disrespecting their roots, should GET THE FUCK OUT off scene.org. it's an unbearable state that a real scene musician has to wait for half a year to get his dir, because some people just consider scene.org a cheap freebie, without sharing the ideals of our scene.

No youre not ps. Its fair and square.

Nosfe...no more of those please. please---

nosfe: please do!

regularly releasing stuff att parties will eventually get your stuff to turn up on scene.org anyway
to me, complete party archives are alot more interesting then the general releases of this or that netlabel...