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It's not a drug, it's a drink.

Yes, a drug you drink. Or would you say that GHB (Fantasy) is not a drug?

well, it has some major disadvantages comparing to alcohol and many advantages. until you use it more than a week in a row, it's not that drug ;)

dont do drugs optimus...

Hmm, I wonder what happens if Optimys is gonna try psy.drugs.

Maybe he will end up coding a demo, making sense, think he learnt to write understandable english and does so in the BBS.

But I guess most likely he will end up married with his pretty hallucination girlfriend.

Optimus on acid is something I wouldn't want to come across..

it's like me on coke!

I, for one, welcome our new drug enhanced Optimus overlord.

I have a greek Speccy friend who was on these stuff and now he has changed according to a friend. The most crazy person I have ever met. He sent me lately a new papermag he produced, which made me burst out of laughter with it's psychedelic uncomprehensible English, greek and babelfish translated German. Wicked..

Well, thanks for the infos and recommendations. I wasn't expecting such a good respond..

thorsten: GHB is DEATH:D

SALVIA!

SALIVA!

Mind-altering drugs are definitely not toys, I agree that far. The well-known psychedelics are dangerous only if used incorrectly, with poor preparation or wrong expectations. (Well, they're not 100% safe either: There seems to be a certain possibility for latent psychotic tendencies being brought to surface by these drugs.)


They do both. One thing psychedelics are very good at is helping connect subconciousness and consciousness. You will clearly see emotions you had not noticed or chosen to ignore; recognize patterns in your behavior you had overlooked; find out your real desires, anxieties - the core of your soul. This takes time though, don't expect all of this to happen on your first trip.

Many people take psychedelics just for "tripping": seeing colors and morphing patterns, enjoying music in a whole new way. But you should always be prepared to encounter "deeper" effects (as described above).


Your terminology is faulty: THC is not a toxin. Toxins kill cells or otherwise damage the body; THC doesn't. People react very differently to cannabis (there's different strains too); some become wide awake, others fall alseep. I agree that paranoia and a degree of delusion are common side-effects. Taking/smoking too much can be very unpleasant psychologically, but there's no physical danger. Keep calm, wait it out, try to sleep. You'll be fine the day after.


I think the mechanism is more complex than that, but yeah man, it makes you very hungry indeed. And the damn food even tastes better than usually :)


Very good advice. Make very very sure you've got the right kind. Or just buy them online or somewhere - they are legal in Europe, even if some people like to tell you otherwise. As for toxicity: Psilocybin is a toxin, but it's near impossible to ingest enough of it by eating mushrooms for any real danger to arise. The real danger lies somewhere else: Psilocybin is a very, very, very, VERY strong hallucinogen. Start out with a ridiculously low dose (a half shroom or something) and go higher SLOWLY, a FEW DAYS LATER. Really. If you know cannabis and think that psilos are anything like it: you're dead wrong. If THC is a tricycle, psilocybin is a Ferrari.


Not the worst advice in the world. Natural products are almost always safer than pure chemicals (even though they may be harder to dose).


I kind of agree. There's a natural (and legal!) equivalent for most synthetic drugs that, although different, gives the same basic effect that you're probably looking for. As an XTC replacement, I recommend LSA containing seeds (hawaiian baby woodrose). Instead of LSD, take shrooms. Amphetamines: Coffee, guarana, ... Cocaine: No replacement, but the effects of cocaine are not worth it anyway. (Or so I heard) If you're taking cocaine for the euphoric kick: try shrooms, they can give you the strongest and deepest euphoria you'll ever know. And they will teach you sincerity and humility instead of bloating your ego. Opium: ? No idea about this one...

Optimus, I hope this helps a little. I am deeply convinced of the value of psychedelic drugs for personal growth and healing; but they are not to be taken lightly. Respect them. Have a friend around who's done this kind of thing before. Arrange set & setting to the best of your ability. Dose prudently.

Actually most of so-called 'natural and legal equivalents' are just a poor parody of corresponding substances. As for LSA, hard users say it only makes world a bit more 'clear' and makes just lookin around a real pleasure. It brings no euphoria and empathy tho. And will one spend half a day extracting lsa from seeds ( otherwise trip will turn into closet-puking-trip ), if he can buy e for some $8-20 round the corner ?
As for most euphoric drug - it depends on person much. It can be almost anything ( and usually it's some mix ).

I can attest to LSA producing strong empathy and euphoria. It's not a silver bullet; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. And there's the psychedelic component that makes it a lot more unpredictable than MDMA.

You don't need to do any extractions BTW - chewing Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds works just fine. I found nausea to be tolerable, but you mileage may vary...

Anyway, what sucks is discovering an illegal substance, liking it and then not being able to get more of it (or only poor quality)... it's something you should take into consideration before trying it in the first place. And there's just something about MDMA that makes it damn addictive - even though it's all in your mind (no physical addiction).

I've had a few drugs.

I 2nd the guy who said not to trip on chemicals, especially stuff that has "2c" in its name.

My favorite drug is XTC, but it isnt something I do very often, maybe 2-3 times a year, people can get pretty messed up if they take this frequently, but its great fun for the occasional night. Go to a party and hug some strangers, you'll have a great time.

I smoke some weed, like every day, I highly recommend it. Don't smoke alot of hash, sometimes when I do that it makes me faint.

I had a mushroom one time, it is in interesting experience, but I tend to avoid the strong trippy type drugs because I'm quite skinny and I get overwhelmed sometimes. It made me see little brown fuzzy things running around.

There is the perscription amphetamine called aderol, almost every american kid has some thanks to the widespread ADD hysteria. It is very helpful for studying or programming. It almost forces your thoughts to make more sense, I find it alot easier to come up with solutions when im trying to make a program work. The comedown from this stuff is nasty though, it happens really suddenly. One moment your typing furiously and the next you feel like planting your face on the desk. Suddenly my ability to think just goes to hell, sometimes it makes me feel faint when it wears off.

Clonopin is a fun perscription to abuse as well. It is a muscle relaxer and mood elevator. I take it a night time on occasion, usualy a few hours before bed time. It will make you sleep very smoothly, also gives a nice comfortable and happy feeling.

Overall I would recomend taking things slowly at first, and it helps to be somewhat healthy when getting high. Be careful about taking things on an empty stomach, excercise and eat wisely, be careful about dangerous combinations, sometimes things like grapefruit juice and certain perscriptions will cause a person to wake up with in the middle of a circle of doctors in a hospital. If you are a skinny person like me dont be afraid to tell your friends that you are a lightweight and cannot handle too much. Make sure to stop every once in a while and think about what your doing and make sure you aren't hurting yourself, especially while rolling on XTC, often people will exhaust themselves because they dont ever stop to think about if they are dancing too hard or getting enough water and stuff like that.


my favorite drug site: www.erowid.org

If you wanna take drugs and mess up your mind, fine.
But this sounds like a very dangerous romantisation to me.

You seem to see things in a pretty negative way. Do you always assume the worst possible outcome?

I'm speaking from experience. Are you? Can you back up your claim?

1_ i do NOT want to invite optimus (or anyone else) to use/misuse any legal or illegal substances.

2_ before consuming anything you don't know;
READ about it - i mean serious literature, not only forum posts!
know(!) what the pros, the cons, the risks, etc are
and always be sure what you do with your body and your mind !
if you're not sure then goto 2_

;)

oh, please, i wish you really knew what bullshit do they write in so-called "s-e-r-i-o-u-s literature"... And they call themselves doctors after all...

DaMn, tHoSe MushRooMs TaSteD gReAt!

don't smoke cigarettes, don't take any drugs, don't go out at night..

just fuck!

you're right, maybe the right term would be 'relevant literature' instead of 'serious'..

anyway, i mean literature like reliable studies etc, not schoolbook like "all-drugs-are-bad"-articles..