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maybe thats an idea for Electronic Youth 10! a musicdisc is something special!

any chance to make that real?

we could serve u about 700 tracks from 100artists from about 40 different countries and maybe 20 different styles of electronic music!

also if you want to make a demo and use our tracks, no prob. you will get all the info you need and of course the files in the format you want!

Be aware tho that not many people are up to download stuff more than 30MB... so dont get too hard on music sizes... the more the merrier, obviously, but size is still size...

thwe prob is that we only serve those mp3s. and full 4 hours (3cd´s wif each 80 minutes) take their 300 mb..

but its no problem. the server is no sucker. u can resume ;)

... turns the musicdisk into a musicdisc. :)

how much do we have to pay for somebody for some good wurk? u dont do anyhthing without getin paid?

getting paid is not the point.

rockmachine: i think you should check a couple of musicdisks first to get an overview of the things :)

I would be more than happy to help you. My company website can be found at http://www.tailoredinteractive.com. I can provide a quote if you provide me more information on what you require.

i have my reserves with these people who only care about demoscene because its a way to get more attention to their releases. i mean, why should i spend my time doing something for them if they're never gonna give something back to the scene? just take all the attention they can. i could be coding something for netlabels who care about demoscene instead, or doing some actual demos..

maybe im paranoid, but i dont consider sceners people who just use the scene to get some feedback on their tracks. you need to attend parties, release stuff on the scene. just releasing tracks for free doesnt imply scene love, you need to care about the people and the other releases on the scene first.

its never about the money, if we would charge proper money to do an intro or a demo, hardly any company would consider a worthy investment. we code intros/demos couz we like the projects not because we get paid. or atleast i wouldnt, some ppl seem to be desperate for money though ;)

PS: You don't know because you have not asked for any money. Nor have most demoscene groups other than The Producers.

*flamebait to panamericans, with vague reference to ithaqua having no skills here ;)*

pat: ask fr how much they got for africola intro. ask haujobb what happened when they were approached to do a demo for a big company.

Yet again you have proved how little you know about the demoscene.

ROTFL

i think you're talking about getting a few quid for a shitty 1man swish-swash splash flash screen and im talking about doing an actual intro/demo with more then 3 people involved working full time developing an engine.

Yah jeez, Nvidia, Microsoft, Radeon... that's three. Not much money there eh? Bigger picture here.

erm.. you got some serious issues comprehending my english pat.

Was that a retort? English is my first language. As is my understanding of economic and industrial impact from the demoscene.

ok, i'll try to make my point clearer.. hold on a couple minutes..

*holds while you google an answer*

patrick groove: the thing is that nobody of our crew is into programming demos, as sad as it is.. but we can give tracks back to you! many many tracks, reaching from ambient to hard techno... very good stuff, preselected by people who know about good music. and if somebody makes an intro for us, he can surely add some info abut his crew or company in order to promote it. we have alot of traffic on our websites and many record labels always check our cds to get new artists. about 10 artists from electronic youth have released tracks on vinyl now... in some days www.foem.info will be finished again, a new website and many new features such as dj mixes and stuff.. its not that we do not want to give something back

i dont code demos for money, i code for fun, for the scene, which is why i wouldnt bother coding something for someone not interested in the scene unless it was a good project, something i could be interested in seeing through.

now there is 2 flaws in this that you're exploring:
a) for you, any money == good project. i disagree, i didnt spend my lifetime harsening skills to end up coding some php bullshit fulltime, for example. i'm not saying php is bad, i could eventually code it for money, that's not even the point, the point is, it depends on the project, and when it comes to scene stuff (like pouet discussions imply, and this particular intro for site / musicdisk engine project also implies) i wouldnt do it for money. some people would, maybe even for free for free, thats perfectly alright, they're not scene sellouts couz of that, they just like the project while i dont. but i wouldnt, i rather waste my time on something that pleases me and my friends rather then an outsider who doesnt even know what a musicdisk is.
b) sceners do demos for big companies all the time. some companies pay people to do "demos" fulltime. while this is true, i wouldnt consider it as scene work. just because a scener is working for microsoft or some game company, it doesnt imply their stuff is scene related. and they obviously like their work, otherwise they would find some other better one. also, some demogroups have often approached to do demos for certain hardware specific companies, the project usually dies or gets paid shit, atleast i havent heard of any scener who could live a year off coding demos for nvidia, radeon or microsoft, or any other company, have you? there are ppl employed for doing those jobs but they arent the sceners we know, its ppl like natasha from the breakpoint seminars. doing work you like for games and benchmarks would be the natural exceptions to the rule, but still, ask the sceners on those projects how much they are earning, and if they are doing it for the money or because they like the project, some might say both, i bet you they wouldnt be doing it for the money alone though.

now, to conclude this: you dont know me, and thats ok, you dont have to, you dont even like me, why would you care to know me? :) so you dont know to what degree your claims on me not knowing the scene offend me. i could have easily insulted and started a flamewar if i was in a bad mood, i can only strongly suggest you to ensure what you are talking about in the future before drawing conclusions about me. thx in advance.

*mental note: panamericans cant read english ;)*

Thanks for the personal perspective. I can appreciate them. However you have given similar responses to me that I don't know the demoscene so I thought I'd throw it back at you. I have yet to be paid a single cent from my demo group but still love the culture as I have done since 1995. So I'll take your offense into condsideration but hope you'll take my own persective into mind as well. I'm not as green as you think.

I don't know you, do not dislike you (since I have never met you), and have my own views about the hobby that I hope you and I both love.

Maybe you're right. Maybe I can't read your english. But maybe you'll be able to read mine some day so that we can avoid this silly bickering and laughs at each other's expense.

I can understand that and since I have a tracking scene background I appreciate it. However regarding web design and media I now charge a fee since I have a company which needs to sustain itself to pay the bills.

you know i did write my 3 paragraphs before reading that you had posted about your site. it wasnt a direct reply. :)

The moral of the story is lets get long as demoscene enthusists dispite what was written here.