censorship. i got an idea :)
category: general [glöplog]
What do all trolls have in common?
We do not like them!
As you can see, we DO have a parameter for kicking them effectivley out of the BBS :)
How?
a fucking List? :)
Start your Imagination, please :)
Add a Button "Censor".
Show a List with censored and potentially censored people.
How to calculate the value? The Censor-Value, if you want.
You Vote.
How can we be sure that no troll will try to use the system against us?
By keeping track of the amount of posts the user writes in a period of time, so he can be determined as troll or not.
This is not, what some people do call Democratic. But it should be ;)
look:
If everyone restricts himself to 2 Posts in 2 Minutes you can kill flooding fucking easily :) actually, if somebody gets the great idea to try flooding with 2 posts in 2 minutes you could potentially censor him bevor his post-count reaches 6 lol
yeah. kicking somebody out of the BBS is fucking easy. The User decides. The process of censoring could potentially last a few seconds this way. it depends on you, of course *g*
And even if my hole idea is totally crap, what i REALLY wanted to say is:
RESTRICTING ACCESS IS EVIL!
CENSORSHIP IS EVIL!
fuck you for even considering this shit!
I am sorry for my harsh but this really totally pisses me off!
We do not like them!
As you can see, we DO have a parameter for kicking them effectivley out of the BBS :)
How?
a fucking List? :)
Start your Imagination, please :)
Add a Button "Censor".
Show a List with censored and potentially censored people.
How to calculate the value? The Censor-Value, if you want.
You Vote.
How can we be sure that no troll will try to use the system against us?
By keeping track of the amount of posts the user writes in a period of time, so he can be determined as troll or not.
This is not, what some people do call Democratic. But it should be ;)
look:
If everyone restricts himself to 2 Posts in 2 Minutes you can kill flooding fucking easily :) actually, if somebody gets the great idea to try flooding with 2 posts in 2 minutes you could potentially censor him bevor his post-count reaches 6 lol
yeah. kicking somebody out of the BBS is fucking easy. The User decides. The process of censoring could potentially last a few seconds this way. it depends on you, of course *g*
And even if my hole idea is totally crap, what i REALLY wanted to say is:
RESTRICTING ACCESS IS EVIL!
CENSORSHIP IS EVIL!
fuck you for even considering this shit!
I am sorry for my harsh but this really totally pisses me off!
and then suddenly clones appear and ban you off. bye.
...harsh words...
LOL
LOL
oh thanks for answering and even CONSIDERING what i am talking about :)
point is, as long as you can register freely, there's no barriers against 40 clones appearing and putting a "CENSORED" tag on you for no apparent reason.
ok. i did not really tell you everything.
imagine, the system is installed.
user Dork gets a new account.
of course user Dork will NOT be able to CENSOR anybody from the start. No real user would do that, so he does'nt get allowed to. Restricting users from things they should not do in the first place is quite ok, i think :)
he is allowed to do, what he is considered to ;) as the system espects from a new user. read posts and write threads.
let it all depend on what the user does and how the others react to him. this system get's it's balance by itself.
i am quite tired, so i can not find words for what i want to tell you. i will try again tomorrow.
what i want to tell you is that it is simply possible to let the bbs keep track how the user evolves und enables him more rights=the bbs trusts the user because he show's himself trustwhorty.
i'm off. will try to write it down clearly tomorrow :)
if a user starts to show bad behaviour, other users will tell the system, so it can make him stop.
how to determine
imagine, the system is installed.
user Dork gets a new account.
of course user Dork will NOT be able to CENSOR anybody from the start. No real user would do that, so he does'nt get allowed to. Restricting users from things they should not do in the first place is quite ok, i think :)
he is allowed to do, what he is considered to ;) as the system espects from a new user. read posts and write threads.
let it all depend on what the user does and how the others react to him. this system get's it's balance by itself.
i am quite tired, so i can not find words for what i want to tell you. i will try again tomorrow.
what i want to tell you is that it is simply possible to let the bbs keep track how the user evolves und enables him more rights=the bbs trusts the user because he show's himself trustwhorty.
i'm off. will try to write it down clearly tomorrow :)
if a user starts to show bad behaviour, other users will tell the system, so it can make him stop.
how to determine
whoops. yeah as i said. tired.
i'll write for tomorrow when you get a bit more senseful :)
write... WAIT, dammit.
looks like i need to get more senseful as well :/
looks like i need to get more senseful as well :/
holy mother of god :)
Just ban everyone and then there's no more problem.
So what, who is this akira guy? He tries to poison your mind with radically rightish ideas - I call him a sneaky troll.
Suppression engenders perversion.
akira as akira/s!p (?) polish mag editor/swapper i presume?
i was wrong, ignore my post.
omg lol
Stelthz: rightish ideas? you sir, are a moron :)
önssi: no, i am not akira from s!p, but i am from austria too :)
ok... what i meant is quite simple, actually.
What should a new user do? Write posts, read posts, upload stuff. So he should be allowed to. Lets call him Dork again :)
How can Dork be prevented flooding? Let him post only two Posts in two Minutes (which does'nt mean one post per minute, btw). Maybe even two in three :)
How can we determine, if Dork should get allowed censoring somebody? Easily. Track his behaviour.
The regular user does what? Read Posts, write posts, maybe he doesn't upload stuff, but he surely downloads stuff. You probably can use a modified glöps-system for this and when he reaches enough "points", he can be determined as regular. As Dork could potentially fake his points by doing it on one day, a time restriction is needed. two weeks, for example. This means he HAS to show regular behaviour for at least two weeks so he gets allowed to censor anybody.
If Dork gets "regular", we still have to keep track of his behaviour, because it could potentially turn "bad". That's were the censorship comes in. As the already active regulars (which can be tracked automatically), already should be able to censor Dork it's only up to you to censor him to hell.
If, for example, Dork gets for example 20 votes by different guys with different "behaviour", he gets censored for a certain amount of time. different behaviour? yes. This is needed to be sure that every user really is a user and no one is faking.
To prevent ppl from "converting" regulars in fakes, the censor-behaviour has to be tracked, too. first of all no body should be allowed to censor the same person twice a day. if Dork starts to censor the same person every day it doesn't really matter. He would at least need 20 other nicks to really kick somebody out of the BBS.
As you can imagine every one of you has it's normal surfing behaviour on pouet. ps, if you take a look at your log and sort it by user you should get an idea of what i mean. If Dork was a troll he would have some serious problems in beeing a troll, as he can not fuck up the system (with censoring), is not able to flood fast enough to reach satisfaction and can allways get kicked anyways by the already "regular"-marked users. As i already said about this system a trolls lifetime would potentially last only a few seconds = 1 post. this depends on you, though.
And what happens if somebody really has eg. 20 fake nicks and "attacks" a regular?
Keep track of CENSOR-Tags Dork gets and the amount of posts he writes. See... the less posts Dork wrote, the higher chance is that he is a troll. If he wrote more posts, there should be more Tags needed to kill him. Setting a limit would be a quite good idea, btw.
I will try to write down an algorithm of this in the afternoon, if i got some time for it at work.
I'm sorry if i still can't make my point, i'm not very good in explaining things in english :) i just hope you get the idea :) i would implement it my self somehow, but i still do not have much free time for any coding. i'm glad i can relax a bit right NOW.
yeah i'm crazy.
Stelthz: rightish ideas? you sir, are a moron :)
önssi: no, i am not akira from s!p, but i am from austria too :)
ok... what i meant is quite simple, actually.
What should a new user do? Write posts, read posts, upload stuff. So he should be allowed to. Lets call him Dork again :)
How can Dork be prevented flooding? Let him post only two Posts in two Minutes (which does'nt mean one post per minute, btw). Maybe even two in three :)
How can we determine, if Dork should get allowed censoring somebody? Easily. Track his behaviour.
The regular user does what? Read Posts, write posts, maybe he doesn't upload stuff, but he surely downloads stuff. You probably can use a modified glöps-system for this and when he reaches enough "points", he can be determined as regular. As Dork could potentially fake his points by doing it on one day, a time restriction is needed. two weeks, for example. This means he HAS to show regular behaviour for at least two weeks so he gets allowed to censor anybody.
If Dork gets "regular", we still have to keep track of his behaviour, because it could potentially turn "bad". That's were the censorship comes in. As the already active regulars (which can be tracked automatically), already should be able to censor Dork it's only up to you to censor him to hell.
If, for example, Dork gets for example 20 votes by different guys with different "behaviour", he gets censored for a certain amount of time. different behaviour? yes. This is needed to be sure that every user really is a user and no one is faking.
To prevent ppl from "converting" regulars in fakes, the censor-behaviour has to be tracked, too. first of all no body should be allowed to censor the same person twice a day. if Dork starts to censor the same person every day it doesn't really matter. He would at least need 20 other nicks to really kick somebody out of the BBS.
As you can imagine every one of you has it's normal surfing behaviour on pouet. ps, if you take a look at your log and sort it by user you should get an idea of what i mean. If Dork was a troll he would have some serious problems in beeing a troll, as he can not fuck up the system (with censoring), is not able to flood fast enough to reach satisfaction and can allways get kicked anyways by the already "regular"-marked users. As i already said about this system a trolls lifetime would potentially last only a few seconds = 1 post. this depends on you, though.
And what happens if somebody really has eg. 20 fake nicks and "attacks" a regular?
Keep track of CENSOR-Tags Dork gets and the amount of posts he writes. See... the less posts Dork wrote, the higher chance is that he is a troll. If he wrote more posts, there should be more Tags needed to kill him. Setting a limit would be a quite good idea, btw.
I will try to write down an algorithm of this in the afternoon, if i got some time for it at work.
I'm sorry if i still can't make my point, i'm not very good in explaining things in english :) i just hope you get the idea :) i would implement it my self somehow, but i still do not have much free time for any coding. i'm glad i can relax a bit right NOW.
yeah i'm crazy.
all these restricive guidelines would make everything become a hassle and it would get contrived to do anything... people just wouldn't care anymore.
why shouldn't they care?
Quote:
What do all trolls have in common?
We do not like them!
I like them.
I guess I don't need to read more...
what's all this talk about A DORK??????+++doubleplusplusgoodiewoodie
bah, the best way is to ignore them
thing i'll do for next Akira's threads now :)
thing i'll do for next Akira's threads now :)
Actually, this system is already set in place for some places. Some forums I go to.. which I dare not mention here, have a system set up in place that you have to make x no of posts to be able to even read the good stuff. I think this is a great idea and should probably be thought more towards.
I don't like trolls either, but what I do know is that the only reason I continue to go to my same sites time and time again is because they are free of moronic posts that us pouet users are accustomed to seeing.
If you want a community of flowers to grow you gotta get rid of the weeds. Weeds choke off flowers. If you want weeds to grow, just throw them in a ditch somewhere.. they'll choke off each other soon enough.
I don't like trolls either, but what I do know is that the only reason I continue to go to my same sites time and time again is because they are free of moronic posts that us pouet users are accustomed to seeing.
If you want a community of flowers to grow you gotta get rid of the weeds. Weeds choke off flowers. If you want weeds to grow, just throw them in a ditch somewhere.. they'll choke off each other soon enough.
there is a script for firefox which filters away all your problems... so the whole discussion is pretty useless
and people just create new accounts, the the whole di..uh, what xenusion said.
This general "moderation" idea is not too bad
how about this:
* Every user gets a "troll level"
* Under every BBS post/comment there's a "troll" button - but only if you haven't already pressed it and if you don't have a higher "troll level" (minus a preset hysteresis) than the poster already has.
* determining that "troll level" is easy: number of troll votes got / (number of posts written +1 )
* You get a new setting: the "troll threshold". Every post of people with a higher troll level than the threshold will be semi-hidden: You'll only see the "added on..." line and a "show" button
* That button will (temporarily) show that post in case you opt to read it.
The troll threshold is set to "off" by default so if you don't specifically care you'll read everything. The rest is three additional database fields per user: # of posts, # of troll votes and a list of thread/post IDs you already voted on.
how about this:
* Every user gets a "troll level"
* Under every BBS post/comment there's a "troll" button - but only if you haven't already pressed it and if you don't have a higher "troll level" (minus a preset hysteresis) than the poster already has.
* determining that "troll level" is easy: number of troll votes got / (number of posts written +1 )
* You get a new setting: the "troll threshold". Every post of people with a higher troll level than the threshold will be semi-hidden: You'll only see the "added on..." line and a "show" button
* That button will (temporarily) show that post in case you opt to read it.
The troll threshold is set to "off" by default so if you don't specifically care you'll read everything. The rest is three additional database fields per user: # of posts, # of troll votes and a list of thread/post IDs you already voted on.
