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@sol: It sounds awful, but I like it :)

The same "cheating" has been made in PC demo for GUS, Sound blaster and others.
It's outraging because they should have done those demos *without* cheating, for *original* pc, that has only beeper.

same cheating is like lvd aka abscess stole two votelists and downvote for shitting prods :3

Now, I personally did not say anything about cheating, and demos using peripherals are fine, but.

PC has always been meant to be extended with cards. You can't even get a picture out of the box without a video card. While speccy had an expansion port, you didn't really NEED it.. unless you wanted to use a joystick or something silly like that.. opqa?

Out of curiosity - does anyone remember Wham! The Music Box? :)

Wham - yes, how to beep with demo?

@bitnaughty
I'm sure some people still remember and use the "Wham!"
http://mister_beep.republika.pl/
http://www.irrlichtproject.de/
Very well, by the way.

@sol_hsa
"Now, I personally did not say anything about cheating"
Yes, I was rather directing it to another person here.

"While speccy had an expansion port, you didn't really NEED it.. unless you wanted to use a joystick or something silly like that.."
Ha-ha-ha. :) Thats what exactly what >meant to be extended with cards< means, mate. :^)
I bought ZX in eighties and knew I will be getting also a soundcard, a joystick card, possible a diskdrive. As well as my friends.

And thats what Ive done.

What can I say. Buying 48 you purchased a central unit.

Another person in this thread mentioned that things were apparently different in Poland. Are you from Poland?

Do some research on ZX in Britain. 48K with an AY/YM pretty much did not exist. In Russia 48K with an AY/YM were also not that common.

Once again, I did not say that 48K with AY/YM did not exist. I did not say that peripherals are not allowed. I did say that this was not a common config in many places. I have no idea how you can keep arguing about this.

Certainly in the UK I don't think many people had AY interfaces for the 48k. Actually, I don't even remember there being an AY interface other than the Fuller box, which had the AY on a different port. I can only remember one, maybe two games that supported the Fuller box.. and that hints at how big a market there was for it. Tiny.

The Speccy was a pretty low-end computer in the UK. I think that people who had the money to buy exotic hardware expansions probably just bought a PC/ST/Amiga instead.

In regards to the c64, The diskdrive is mainly only used for loading data. (The individual demo parts in a trackmo do not rely on the drive for calculations etc. (There are only a few that run calculations from within the drive) and the bottleneck is the transferring from/to the drive, hence not used often

Quite a few early demos had support for PC speaker actually. If you have a modplayer anyway, it's not that difficult to make it output to PC speaker.

I guess they stopped supporting PC speaker because it was horrible, and SBs became standard anyway.

I think I found it: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=57726. And it also runs on 16k speccy. The sound engine (based on audacity) is pretty similar to mine, but due to someone actually knowing how to compose things, sounds tolerable.

..I don't mean sound engine is based on audacity, I mean based on my audacity recording of the demo, it seems similar to mine..

According former Czechoslovakia, the most common setup in the 80s was a 48K Speccy with a tape recorder and maybe a joystick interface (and a living-room telly or a small b/w telly). No 128Ks, no AYs, no disk drives. After fall of communism borders opened and 128K Spectrums appeared, but in very tiny amount. As well as other computers, so many people (these with money) skipped 128K and went to Amiga/ST/PC. Didaktik was making their very humble Specccy 48 clones since 1987. Then, in about 1991 they introduced a disk drive D40 (incompatible with 128K Spectrums as showed up later) and Melodik - an AY ACB stereo interface. So noone including me even knew about 128K and AY till early 1990s. There were lucky ones like Fuxoft or Busy that they got a 128K earlier in the 80's, but it was kinda exception. I understand that Speccy was considered as a low-end but here it was different in the 80s. There wasn't any chance to import computers legally so everything was black market (until Didaktik and their low quality ZX clones). The Spectrum was a name and its ownership guaranteed a feed of software (in 99% pirated). Who had a different machine, was an outsider, including C64 - there were too few C64 people around here. There was wide Atari XL/XE user base, much bigger than C64.