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Not trying to nitpick, but there's a typo near the end. "My hope is that the new possibilites in the web platforms will serve as a new jumping-on point for fresh talent. We see it already, with sites like" is repeated twice. The first instance seems to be a mistake.

I will not start a flamewar since Gloom kindly added a disclaimer here and in the website, but seeing the numerous everyday's releases on CSDB (even if you keep only "demo" releases), yes the C64 numbers are totally wrong :D

Good job, Gloom! Thanks for posting.

Ok so now that we have charts and statistics we may try to find out what is killing the demoscene. We need to find some correlations, maybe price of polish zloty? Birth rate in Chile? Average temperatures in Tonga?

Video killed the demoscene star.

im sure the csdb admins will be happy to hand out statistics regarding prods?

One observation: there seems to be quite a steady flow of ZX Spectrum (and clone) prods, which might change the "top 3 platforms" situation if included.

rutra80: it's correlateable to the weather in finland of course! thanks to global warming, finnish winters are less extreme, thus the number of productions is decreasing! we should all stop using farting cows!

whilst you jest...

it'd be interesting to see user/group stats against location, to show if particular countries have haemorrhaged sceners (or the reverse)

canopy: sure, but how do you count for example a Fairlight demo, that's technically a Swedish group, but the demo is made by a Briton and a Finn? :P i assume you can generate some nationalities from the used emails to reg up the username and the linked users to a prod, but with gmail.com and stuff like that, plus how terrible incomplete that is, that's also not a reliable source.

amiga! \o/

maali: easy, just use the nationality of the coder, everything else doesnt count anyway ;)

If nothing else...

@Marq, "there seems to be quite a steady flow of ZX Spectrum (and clone) prods, which might change the "top 3 platforms" situation if included" - the average quality is nowhere near high enough to make real difference. Not yet.

Aren't we after numbers, not quality here anyway? :)

hey i was just throwing the idea out there.
partly because i'm curious, the UK scene appears to pretty small these days. there are a few strong people left who have been around, but beyond that, little new blood.

i'm just curious about whether some countries, have either been culturally or otherwise affected in any way and what the causes might be. education? economics? global warming?


hah!.. well geographically maybe by "gender".. coder / everything else :D

Great job, thanks!

About measuring prod quality:
Actually I would be quite interested in knowing also the global sum of thumbs-up of a given year, for each year (taking the number of thumbs as of today, assuming that it won't evolve much for prods released before 2014/12/31)

A breakdown by platform/type/party would be interesting too.
Of course it's uber-rough and would have the same pouet-biases (representativeness, steadiness) as the others metrics, but it would give an idea of the impact on the community ; and we could see how this correlates with the absolute number of releases (I suspect the year 2007 to have a particularly good ratio :p).

wullon: interesting thought, but I don't believe amount of thumbs-up will give an accurate description of quality in a broad enough set of cases.

I actually think that the number of thumbs up gives a fairly reasonable representation of the prod quality. OK, "popular" prods tend to get bigger response compared with "niche" prods, but this is life and it is not specific to demoscene. Just pick a specific platform, a specific year and check out, e.g., pouet top 20 prods. I would be prepared to say that everything that should have been but was not included tends to be exceptions rather than the rule.

The only big issue is to do with the "thumb-up inflation", i.e. the growing audience of pouet, which means that pre-pouet and early-pouet prods have much fewer thumb ups compared with modern productions. I am guessing that if one was to scale the number of thumb ups by, maybe, the overall number of thumb ups per platform in the same year, you should see pretty robust picture.

or the all time top ratio that's calculated from thumbs and piggies.

like >0.51 && numvotes>20 and compare that per year.

As long as it does not take "popularity" into account, I am sure it can be made to work. "Popularity" is clearly flawed.

thumbs down/piggies are a dodgy one to use too . i'm sure i'm not the only one who doesn't ever give anything but a thumbs up.

How about talking to the CSDB people about getting the C64 data from there? I'm fairly sure a lot of prods never get added to Pouet.

gemini: blkpanther tried that once. it didnt work out too well.