Two deadly enemies of the Amiga: Atari and Commodore
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I can give you two use cases for my iPad at home:
- If it's in the kitchen it serves for comfortable receipt lookup using a web browser... carry a laptop around and type with greasy fingers on your keyboard/touchpad... nothing beats a quick glass clensing of the iPad after the cooking is done :)
- My 2 year old toddler and 4 year old kid have much fun playing games on the iPad, without ever having to learn that: if you move that big heavy round thing that daddy calls a mouse, it'll move that tiny white thing called a pointer on that other big thing which daddy calls a monitor, and then if you press that one area that makes a funny noise on that big round thing that daddy calls a mouse button, then suddenly something will happen at that other big thing, just around that tiny white thing. Screw that, toddlers don't need to learn how to use a mouse. And they can't even read, so a keyboard is also a no-go.
our ipad is eating dust, because its such a closed system. its much easyer for my daughter in law to get on the net with the win lappy and play gazillion of flash games / watch YT. FOR FREE.
also could you explain why is a touchscreen better to use with greasy fingers? you gotta love type on it like that, when looking for a receipt!a greasy screen is always better than a greasy keyboard I guess.
my 2 year old daughter has no problem pausing/unpausing videos with the space button (only showed her once), or move around the mouse with the touch pad for fan. (figured out by herself)
but I agree: toddlers dont need to learn how to use a mouse, they can figure it out by themselves in one trial and error session.
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Creative industries use macs because they don't want their piece of shit os to crash every other second (I'm looking at you windows!!)
Thank god then I dont have one, as seeing how OSX is very slow and crash prone these days (we have few at the office) ;)
Is it? The only thing that crashed my Mac is the dodgy audiophile FireWire driver where my windows PC at work routinely pukes itself out doing heavy GFX tasks. Windows 8 is not bad tho.
And this thread is funny, it's almost like there are multiple ways of using computers and there is no right or wrong way!
Until the Amiga will make its glorious comeback ofcourse!
And this thread is funny, it's almost like there are multiple ways of using computers and there is no right or wrong way!
Until the Amiga will make its glorious comeback ofcourse!
Yeah. I'd still take Amiga over Win7.
But yeah, for my work (gfx) I'll take Win over OSX everytime (one reason here is that Adobe software is much more stable on (more stable OS) Win, and faster)
But yeah, for my work (gfx) I'll take Win over OSX everytime (one reason here is that Adobe software is much more stable on (more stable OS) Win, and faster)
So, will someone definitively answer my question here?
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So basically, because the Amiga was designed with the mindset of the 1980s home computer designers and that it was NOT an IBM, then it was doomed to die no matter what?
Not quite, because the same market forces ultimately killed off the Atari ST as well.
Commodore and Atari both wrapped up their home computer business in 1993.
The Playstation appeared in 1994 and annihilated any home for the home computer market.
The thinking back then was anyone wanting to use a 'business' computer went IBM compatible unless they were in to graphic design or DTP in which case they needed a Mac.
Kids wanted to play games, and consoles effectively killed home computers being put into the hands of kids, which in turn slowly killed the demoscene :O
Only the addition of gaming tech like graphics accelerators and the upgrade paths made the PC able to compete with consoles.
Commodore and Atari both wrapped up their home computer business in 1993.
The Playstation appeared in 1994 and annihilated any home for the home computer market.
The thinking back then was anyone wanting to use a 'business' computer went IBM compatible unless they were in to graphic design or DTP in which case they needed a Mac.
Kids wanted to play games, and consoles effectively killed home computers being put into the hands of kids, which in turn slowly killed the demoscene :O
Only the addition of gaming tech like graphics accelerators and the upgrade paths made the PC able to compete with consoles.
Yes, Canopy, great points!
To be honest, I don't know why I'm acting like a die-hard Amiga fan when I was so willing to abandon the Amiga ship in favour of a PC, all because of Doom. It was either a "multimedia" PC or an add-on CD drive for my A1200, but the latter didn't have Doom.
But you'd be surprised how arrogant I became in college about the "superiority" of the Amiga, when other students who'd had Amigas switched to PCs as it was easier for them to do their course assignments on, when I was ridiculed by PC owners, especially obnoxious twats who I hated anyway, and when the lecturers scoffed at the inflated prices of higher-end Amigas over the cheaper PCs. And when I used CrossDOS on Amiga to read PC disks, I found other problems like the PC needing two ASCII characters for a new line and the Amiga only one - I ended up having to do more work than intended.
In the end, since games were becoming cool on PC and because Commodore had gone bust, I thought, "what the heck, if you can't beat them, join them". My first PC was a 486 SX2/50 or something with just 4Mb, but I didn't anticipate the cost of regular upgrades, but I'm glad I was there for the Golden Age of PC FPS games, in the mid-to-late 1990s.
I've only had one console in my life, an original Playstation, but sold it only a few months later as I hated the limitations and the controller. I like computers as you can do anything on them, and programming is something I was good at, but not demos, mind. The closest I came to a demo was something I'd like to share, if I could.
I'm set in my ways, mostly, and will always be a Windows PC user.
To be honest, I don't know why I'm acting like a die-hard Amiga fan when I was so willing to abandon the Amiga ship in favour of a PC, all because of Doom. It was either a "multimedia" PC or an add-on CD drive for my A1200, but the latter didn't have Doom.
But you'd be surprised how arrogant I became in college about the "superiority" of the Amiga, when other students who'd had Amigas switched to PCs as it was easier for them to do their course assignments on, when I was ridiculed by PC owners, especially obnoxious twats who I hated anyway, and when the lecturers scoffed at the inflated prices of higher-end Amigas over the cheaper PCs. And when I used CrossDOS on Amiga to read PC disks, I found other problems like the PC needing two ASCII characters for a new line and the Amiga only one - I ended up having to do more work than intended.
In the end, since games were becoming cool on PC and because Commodore had gone bust, I thought, "what the heck, if you can't beat them, join them". My first PC was a 486 SX2/50 or something with just 4Mb, but I didn't anticipate the cost of regular upgrades, but I'm glad I was there for the Golden Age of PC FPS games, in the mid-to-late 1990s.
I've only had one console in my life, an original Playstation, but sold it only a few months later as I hated the limitations and the controller. I like computers as you can do anything on them, and programming is something I was good at, but not demos, mind. The closest I came to a demo was something I'd like to share, if I could.
I'm set in my ways, mostly, and will always be a Windows PC user.
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you'd be surprised how arrogant I became in college about the "superiority" of the Amiga
Not really, no.
Is this the walking interfearence beast?
http://glslsandbox.com/e#20123.1
http://glslsandbox.com/e#20123.1
We are full of smart devices, smart phones, smart tablets, smart computers, smart watches, smart toilets.
But there was a time..
But there was a time..
Yup, there was a time where phones were p shitty indeed, but the battery time on those was p good though, so don't hate!
and they didnt exploder to shards like iphones do when they slightly touch anything made with stone... :)
Now in the year 2014 computers are way too good, remember the good old days..
Also, you could slam it in the wall and not die :)
I should refresh first.
Btw,. I was looking at most zealous zealots. Amiga isn't there. Why Pouet doesn't have polls?
Btw,. I was looking at most zealous zealots. Amiga isn't there. Why Pouet doesn't have polls?
Are you taking the piss?
I agree with okkie. These days computers are just overcomplicating everything. The abacus really was raw computing power at your fingertips.
GET A HAIRCUT, GET A JOB, AND GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY
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also I wonder If a 286 could ever surf the internet, with a gui multitask OS, like I did with my 1200, with a 030 card.
You should rather wonder why you compare a processor released in the early 80s with one released in the late 80s. Surely that is a completely fair comparison!
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2005/01/amiga/
This is exactly what I'm talking about! Somewhere out there is an alternate universe where Commodore didn't act like such a bunch of inept dorks and BURIED Jobs and Apple! :D
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The Amiga computer was a machine ahead of its time. When it was released in 1985, its color screen (4096 colors in HAM mode!), four-channel sampled stereo sound, preemptive multitasking GUI, and custom chips to accelerate both sound and graphics made the year-old Macintosh seem antiquated and the PC positively Paleolithic. Steve Jobs was reported to be extremely worried about the Amiga, but fortunately for him and Apple, Commodore had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
Many jokes have been made about Commodore being unable to sell water to a dying man in the desert, and sadly, these jokes were not that far from the truth. After a showy introduction at the Lincoln Center, which included pop star Deborah Harry and artist Andy Warhol, Commodore stopped all production and advertising of the Amiga 1000, in anticipation of the imminent release of the new 2000 and cost-reduced 500 models. These didn't appear until 1987, and much early momentum was lost. Commodore continued to make terrible mistakes, suffered financially from declining C-64 sales, and eventually went bankrupt in April 1994.
This is exactly what I'm talking about! Somewhere out there is an alternate universe where Commodore didn't act like such a bunch of inept dorks and BURIED Jobs and Apple! :D
Would be nice to think what would happen if Amstrad computers had evolved. If they didn't make the CPC464+ and gx4000, but only kept on CPC6128+. If more companies supported it. If they actually went for 68000 or 68020 or even ARM (I guess they couldn't afford a brand new hardware and they have already missed the train). I remember my CPC while having a lot of games, also looking a bit like more serious computer for work, dark grey/black color, great keyboard and 3" disks and good basic, 640*200 high resolution for word processing and other, it's own monitor coming with the machine, they still work. They could have taken the PC road maybe.
Amstrad did take the PC road, quite literally. :/
A CPC successor based on an ARM CPU + some kind of enhanced graphics processor, now that would have been an idea!
A CPC successor based on an ARM CPU + some kind of enhanced graphics processor, now that would have been an idea!
Its just a computer.. Who gives a shit? :)
Again and again I'm amazed how easy it is to troll on Pouet.
