SIDSTATION...anyone?
category: general [glöplog]
shifter: I didn't know that each C64 will produce a subtly different sound thats quite interesting.
As for zealots and purists i think an extreme opinion for example being totaly against software emulation and just preaching about the 'real thing' is a narrow minded attitude. Kindof like how i was when i was 15 and preached Amiga over ST, these days i appreciate what the entire scene has given us no matter the age or platform.
Often the real hardware does as u say have more character, a bit, but not exactly like analouge synths over digital synths having that warmer full bodied sound.
At the end of the day (that really is such an over used British phrase) it doesnt matter how or with what something like a piece of music was created, but the skill and creativity of the person using the software or hardware to make it.
As for zealots and purists i think an extreme opinion for example being totaly against software emulation and just preaching about the 'real thing' is a narrow minded attitude. Kindof like how i was when i was 15 and preached Amiga over ST, these days i appreciate what the entire scene has given us no matter the age or platform.
Often the real hardware does as u say have more character, a bit, but not exactly like analouge synths over digital synths having that warmer full bodied sound.
At the end of the day (that really is such an over used British phrase) it doesnt matter how or with what something like a piece of music was created, but the skill and creativity of the person using the software or hardware to make it.
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I didn't know that each C64 will produce a subtly different sound thats quite interesting.
In theory, maybe. It's all in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. The original 6581 SID was actually short of the original spec, but if you foolishly refer to the bugfix (i.e. the 8580), you might as well dance naked into a minefield :)
Some people claim they can discern a true 909 clap from an emiulated/sampled "fake" as well. I claim they have far too much free time at their disposal.
Let's agree to agree on this matter than, old chap ;)
Shifter: if you can't tell the difference between emulated sid and a real sid, stop talking over it. Seriously, I don't hear distortion the way others do - I filter it right out - and I can tell.
This is like saying you can't actually hear the difference between an mp3 recorded at 20kbit and 128kbit. Sure, the actual song is still the same, notes and so forth... but there's muffling and other distortions, which probably have names that I don't care about. I just want to have a recording that's as close to the original if I can, and that means record from an actual SID. It's not like they're all that expensive, you know. You don't have to mortgage a house to get one.
This is like saying you can't actually hear the difference between an mp3 recorded at 20kbit and 128kbit. Sure, the actual song is still the same, notes and so forth... but there's muffling and other distortions, which probably have names that I don't care about. I just want to have a recording that's as close to the original if I can, and that means record from an actual SID. It's not like they're all that expensive, you know. You don't have to mortgage a house to get one.
deetsay: some sharp eyes you have, it is indeed from a SK-1 :) .. If that would've been in working condition I would've probably made a rack version out of 3k3 ;)
Le Thorst wooow now that looks good : ) ill check that out.. only think im afraid of is if its useful for bassline only?
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Shifter: if you can't tell the difference between emulated sid and a real sid, stop talking over it.
Whoa there. I already said it's in the eye/ear of the beholder. I never cared enough to sit and find the subtle difference between emulation and the real deal :)
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Seriously, I don't hear distortion the way others do - I filter it right out - and I can tell.
Hey, that's super, thanks for sharing. Keep the comparison a bit more realistic though -something like 112kbps and 128kpbs mp3s. You're being far too silly about this :)
I CAN HEAR ELECTRICITY!
Shifter: realistic? That's actually where I have to draw the line (: I sort of can't tell the difference between 56k and 128k. Sort of. Depends on the stereo setting. My earliest mp3 player (the original diamond rio) has all the mp3's on it in 56k, and I am fine with that... and I listened to Nectarine for 2 years at 20k to avoid using too much bandwidth while people got stuff off my web box.)
(How to develop this? Listen to radio stations nowhere near where you live with tons of static, the only ones that will play music you like, and develop filters for the static.)
(Later, when presented with Dune songs, wonder what the big deal is, cuz you're filtering stuff out (: )
Me? Silly? You HAVE to be kidding.
(How to develop this? Listen to radio stations nowhere near where you live with tons of static, the only ones that will play music you like, and develop filters for the static.)
(Later, when presented with Dune songs, wonder what the big deal is, cuz you're filtering stuff out (: )
Me? Silly? You HAVE to be kidding.
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I sort of can't tell the difference between 56k and 128k.
Okay, that's just plain weird.
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At the end of the day (that really is such an over used British phrase) it doesnt matter how or with what something like a piece of music was created, but the skill and creativity of the person using the software or hardware to make it.
Very true, but you also need some challenge and motivation. Making music with VST's is like playing games with a +9 trainer: Unlimited presets ON, limitless parameters ON, endless effects ON...
If you want to get away from hardware worshipping, VST may seem like a solution at first, but when you're ready to "get serious", it turns out you just "need" the fastest cpu and the most expensive chipset to minimize latency, and your firewire audio solution "must" have 24 bit 96 KHz output, soon it will be 192 KHz and then you need to double your processing power again etc. :-)
Purists are everywhere, and whatever you're doing, someone will always demand to know why you're doing it like that, instead of the original or the latest or the bestest thing X.
Sid play is the best sidplayer to PC
visit www.hvsc.c64.org
visit www.hvsc.c64.org
on the 56kbps/128kbps thing.. I actually experienced some situations where listening to a track at 56kbps made me disappointed when hearing the actual tune. Maybe the brain is sort of extrapolating the music into something much richer when it doesn't have enough proper data to start with :)
While butchering a C64 sounds bad, this guy made something quite cool
MIDIbox SID V2 Bassline Demo #3 c64
http://www.vimeo.com/1633684
MIDIbox SID V2 Bassline Demo #3 c64
http://www.vimeo.com/1633684
Yeah, yeah, sorry for archeology and shit, but "hey-wow!" - this topic still hits the first Google-search page for "SIDstation".
And they are right, since many extensively-used SID glitches simply cannot be emulated.
Howdy-ho to all 8580 conductors here! ;-)
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they even think that they can discern between emulation and a real SID
And they are right, since many extensively-used SID glitches simply cannot be emulated.
Howdy-ho to all 8580 conductors here! ;-)
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And they are right, since many extensively-used SID glitches simply cannot be emulated.
The filter was probably the most extensively-used SID glitch ;)
Rez has one I think.
