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For you maybe. But who's to say that something like this won't happen again in the future? For me the trust is broken and can only be restored by analogue stepping down for good and turn over the control over pouet and the data to the community.

BTW I dont tolerate crybabies on my workplace much. If things need to get done, I dont care for the "feelings" or egos of workmates. That has to be left at home. And I dont have a problem with that the other way round - once a hard and stressfull work of two months was thrown into the bin, because we found a better opensource solution. And I was perfectly fine with that, because in the end, there counts only one thing: GET SHIT DONE. FUCK EGOS.

Salinga: so you would be fine with me taking over your house, throwing you out and be happy for the fact that I put some new color in the walls, because that "got things done"? :)

what tomaes said.

lug00ber: If you (the analogue lynch mob) are worried he will abandon, then perhaps you shouldn't be telling him to leave every 3 seconds. The damage against the community has already been done, he has admitted his errors and explained his logic, now he's trying to remedy the situation.

You're asking him to leave, yet if he does leave now it will only make things worse. Everyone (either for or against the open source path) will just bash him some more, plus we'll loose the open source path and be left with a demotivated maintainer and no way forward as a community to contribute to improving pouet.

How this was forced down on Gargaj was wrong. But I for one do not want to roll back into "wait for 2.0" mode, i believe the current dev system is a much more logical way forward in development. we can track what is being done and chip in where we can help out. A few others seem to agree. And I believe there would be much more contributions rolling in if it wasn't for the pushed timming and wave of bitterness that was left around with the whole comeback and takeover stunt from Analogue.

The only acceptable way forward as i see it, is supporting Analogue through the shitstorm.

ps: he's unfortunately lost the trust of a whole lot of people, and supporting somebody who's lost my trust through a shitstorm that they created isn't something I'm prepared to do.

I strongly disagree with your "he has admitted his errors and explained his logic" analysis too. He's admitted that not handing the keys over to gargaj was a mistake, but that's just a tiny part of the fuck up here.

It's certainly a bit late to go back to how things were before, but that doesn't mean the current situation is ideal, it doesn't mean we can't put things mostly straight, and it doesn't mean we can't put things in a better place than they were either. And if analogue leaves, it doesn't mean we have to lose the open source repository either - or all the work on 2.0.

That is not what this is about.

This is about the future of pouet. analogue created the site many years ago, then gave it over to someone else to run, who then passed in on again to someone else.

10 years later he storms in, locks everyone else out, destroys the motivation of the current maintainer (who has been doing a phenomenal job for many years), releases unaudited source code with a bunch of SQL injection holes to the public, pisses of a great deal of the userbase, is generally an ass, etc.

Can we trust pouet with this guy? Can we trust him not just to abandon it? To not make some really lame decisions?

There is an element of "kill the witch" going on there that I'm uncomfortable here.

At this point I think I side with ps.

The highly private developments done at scene.org and inefficient use of resource stemming from this mentality aren't better in my mind. There's a churn on maintainers that analogue's opensource call would address.

Also in a certain sense the takeover on the pouet.net codebase by other third-parties was also unclear (at least to me, maybe it was) .. I could understand why we would do some amount of bug fixing as scene.org staff, mainly in order to protect the server and archive, or to improve integration.

However for further developments, I doubted it was ever a scene.org project, and maybe the error is there.

And at least analogue's actions made it possible to even discuss this.

revival: there is one thing i have to correct, which more people are also refering erroneously on this thread, not sure which way it favors the discussion, but i think i should set the record straight: technically speaking analogue never gave the command over to me. i took over without asking him. my reasons to do so were that things were deteriorating fast and analogue was not replying to emails for months (maybe over a year). at the time melwyn had already made a few fixes also without consulting analogue so i thought "what the hell, we have access, let's just get things fixed". a few months later analogue finally answered emails, noticed what we (scene.org) were doing and replyed something in the lines of "no problem at all, go for it, i don't have time, just want what's best for the scene community". which is one of the reasons i'm fairly sure analogue is not the "my precious" kind of person.

If Laurent Raufaste owns the domain name pouet.net, it is up to him to make decisions about the website pouet.net. EOD.

^ The analogue is strong with that one.

If you refrain from putting me in a group I'm not part of, I will refrain from labeling you a part of Analogue's oligarchic conspiracy. Does that sound fair to you?
I spoke my mind, as do you. That's all.


When you are in an abusive relationship, the only rational choice is to end it.

So the domain name system is, like, God to you? What if it... well... errs occasionally? It's just a system dude.

Also, shouldn't USERS, FANS and CONTRIBUTORS of a site have a say too?

Just asking in general.

Analogue owns the domain, but not the content. There is a massive difference.

Also: he does not own Pouet.org

Gloom do you really think Analogue is the only one who needs to apologize? It's you who started this shit after all.

Sak: you're so blissfully out of touch/facts that I can't help but smile and shake my head.

sak, what the fuck are you talking about? get a grip

The owner of the site is the one who is allowed to make all decisions. Users, fans and contributors may make suggestions, but ultimately it is up to the owner what to implement.

Don't forget the site owner pays a monthly fee for the domain name, while you users pay nothing... you just use the service for free.

We pay by contributing data to it.

Well, the lack of any license information makes it really hard to say whose data it really is once you submit it. Legally it probably does belong to analogue.

Adok: You mean like http://www.hugi.scene.org/?

dipswitch: I'm talking about the fact that there's two sides to the fight and neither has been classy.

So the money system is like, God to you? Don't you think it errs...

..pretty much exactly all the time?

I thought you were an ok dude from your mags, but now I really begin to doubt that.

...or is it an Adok troll attempt? =)

Gloom: This may come as a huge surprise to you but I really don't care about your opinions on me. Feel free to feel any way. But you failed to answer the question, do you really feel Analogue is the only one at fault here?