pouët.net

haha

Please open source pouet so we can undo all the man handling from gargaj.

Watching the ridiculousness in the fact that various members of the gargaj fanclub is asking for support for this thread on iRC. "everyone please just hop in there and write what gargaj said" *loving the drama*



also, what nic0 said. This thread might need some anthropologist analysis.

Seriously, Analogue? You really can't take the fact that people might disagree with your view, can you? Not sure if you noticed, but I doubt Gargaj has any say in what people think. Maybe it's just the fact that to all these people, his take on this at the moment makes eay more sense than yours?

Man I wish someone could resurrect Stil right now, at least he understood how things work..

Also, considering the fact that Gargaj just said "work on 0.9 has more or less stopped because work on 2.0 started", those percentages look correct to me..

that should be *way more sense, and i bet 2.0 has a way to edit your post already so no need to implement it in 0.9!

Analogue: listen - I can understand it's strange when people don't support you upon your return, but if you actually read what people say (and ignore the flame-trolls with their insane conspiracy theories or outright flame baits), can you at least try to see things from their perspective?

So - to the point: how about you comment on Gargaj's actual suggestion? It seems both reasonable and timely.

"I'll write it again to make it clear, your code is welcome if you are giving up your ownership over it."

And stop bringing your friends from IRC.

ps: thats your cue. where's that verbal bashing you promised?

People calling anyone who disagrees with them trolls bitching about things not being seen from their perspective. Classic.

I might add, that when you don't understand/read that
YES POUET 2.0 WILL BE OPEN SOURCE
- and -
NO, YOUR IDEA OF TWO CODE BASES JUST SUCKS
When being said for the nth time, I wouldn't want to read your code Analouge, you didn't even give a damn to test your REST API.

The only ones who whine are you and psenough, neither of you are currently improving the situation to a slightest.
The fuck do we need that REST API for anyway? To build more frontends? To shovel JSON to XML (oh hey, the once invented HTML for that), to just have it(tm)?

Yes, yes - we all clearly see you both have the biggest e-penor, and together you both are responsible for the whopping 90% of the fucking code mess Pouet is, gratz on that, good job.

People who cherry pick things to attack instead of the actual issue. Classic.

..from an account that's a few days old. Epic.

Aside from lines of code being a complete bullshit metric for this (maintenance != cranking out tons of feature code), where are those numbers pulled from, exactly? For the entire time I worked on Pouet, my access to the codebase consisted of a shared FTP login to the live site, so it seems to me that those figures come from either A) a highly dubious method of counting, or B) some version control repository that I never even knew about.

gasman: hint

kb's suggestion sounds a lot more reasonable to me than gargaj's imperative.

analogue: in gargaj's defense, he did do more patches after 2007, he just stopped using the log to document them afaicr. and then he decided to focus on 2.0 entirely, which was smart move in anyone's book. it's just taking too long and ominously closed.

technically speaking what gargaj did was a fork. and doing a fork doesnt give him ownership of the master. it might be more convenient not to touch it until it's done, i get that, but years of wait must end at some point. and i'd much rather see it end in 2013. remember we had this exact same thread 1 year ago.

also, i can't believe this discussion has leia agreeing with gloom and me agreeing with dubmood but: what dubmood said. gargaj is a nice guy, don't blend your personal feelings about the person with the fact that he is hoarding the development of a site for 5 years with the promise of a new version. a site which has always been intended as open and like kb said makes complete sense to be a communitary effort.

gargaj: if you are the only person in control you are a dictator, no matter how you want to put it. please do the right thing: follow kb's suggestion and talk properly with analogue about how his ideas can work with yours.

There is this bug what prevents me of adding prods. At pouet please fix it.

I Vote for first get pouet 2.0 finished and than open source it. But how long this should take should be agreed upon between Gargaj and analoque

case solved

Ok here's something about the actual issue...



This indeed seems to be the approach you're taking. But maybe if the source wasn't kept closed "until it's ready", things would be different? Who knows, maybe the project wouldn't have gone on for over 5 years...

What exactly is the reasoning for doing this anyway? Especially if it's against Analogue's wishes. To me it seems like releasing the source after everything is done might work for a demo, because the source will be for porting to other platforms. But for something like Pouet it makes no sense. And I'm genuinely interested and promise to respect your right to have an opinion, not looking to fight about it.

i demand a joust. analogue with a baguette, gargaj with a bejgli. let's settle this once and for all!

Just make a proper Pouet API/Backend and make a close-to-original html+js client as suggested by analogue. Anything else would just be re-tweaking bugs anyways. Then you, Gargaj & Fan club can have your own politicallycorrectpouet.scene.org.

It would somehow be very fitting if Pouet went down in the flames of a flame war drama...

Kusma: wow, I haven't seen that approach to software design for at least a decade -- oh, right, the post was from 2000. The currently accepted model for software design is way more centered around the concept of writing new code continously.

There's also a huge difference between writing a native application planned to live for decades than to develop web apps/pages. Things have changed insanely on the web, and developing for it should change with it.

To add to it, after (or actually still in progress) doing a refactor on a >16k LOC mess, with almost only antipatterns - I'd have rather written it from scratch too. (and 16k LOC isn't even _that_ much actually)

gloom: Calling that article dated is *so* missing the point.

what ps said.