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The… What? You just described what Facebook is, really. You state all of these as a concern of yours, yet you are willing to use various other social networks!? Besides, I really don't get it, there's nothing wrong with Google's new privacy policy. Just because they were kind enough to shout it out loud all over their services, it seems like it became much more of a boogie-monster in the eyes of people, compared to Facebook silently changing their privacy policy, letting them use any content uploaded to Facebook.

Sure, Google isn't the all-loving mother figure. I never claimed otherwise. But, it seems like (and ironically so) people give less of a shit about more radical terms-of-service changes that are executed slyly and cryptically. Funny.

yep, most people will only think when told to think. so google made a big blunder by drawing attention to it. apparently there's an anti-google facebook thing about it. which is just ironic.

excaping fröm göggli is liek "intel oddside", just harder! i meant:
escaPONG is like resisting to play PONG on Atari2600 ;)
nah! -> escaping from goggle is like hiding from teh int0rnetz! why would you want to be one of the few NOT showing off your balls outside of your privacy? -> because they eat your balls alive then way faster ???!
fuck google! but we all use it, me using it via android, searches, etc. -> just get used to it! get over it! let em know everything! hate em! we all do!!!

NOT using youCube/goggleSearch/Maps/Pics/Translation/etc makes you even easier to get attacked, by using stuff made by whatDoYouKnowAboutTheDevelopersOfAllThoseNewStuffYouUseInsteadOfGöögle?
;)

just dont care! nothing to hide anyway! see ACTA!

hehe, i agree. it's like a fish trying to escape water, while swimming in a gold fish bowl. or trying to escape the internet, while using teh INTORNETS SERIVES PROVIDORz !!

that's why i preferred the old days of snail-mail. but even then i remember some of my parcels arriving from my "contacts" with a notice stuck on them by the postal service saying something like: "This parcel has been opened, during a random spot-check in our attempt to prevent illegal postal activity. we are sorry for any inconvenience this may cause". i remember a few sceners getting caught that way because they thought they could ship weed from holland through the post. :D

it was like trying to ESXCAPES THE MAIL SERVICZ, WHILE MAILING MAiLz tHROUGHS THE POST!!$!$

There's a moral to all this, don't put your weed on the internet...deliver it by hand.

;) exactly!

[GLUE]^^ i just faked quotes instead of stamps there ;)
maybe no1 realizes ;) [/GLUE]

Glue back! :)

Bunch of reprobate glue sniffers. Post weed it's safer!

Just to add something to the conversation, I had signed up for a blog with them, and I wanted to put ads on that page as well (their ads), they sent a mail saying something like "a human will review your blogpage"... and it was unbelievable! I SIMPLY NEVER HEARD FROM THEM AGAIN!

I have a feeling that they went to my Gmail acct. , and saw that I had almost never clicked on any ad, and decided to screw me!

This company cannot be in charge of the world. It's just another Microsoft, 10 times worse.

The difference? Before different parts of google had and used that info in different ways. In other words it was no different to having my email with one company, using maps on another, and video hosting at another - they all knew a bit about one side of me, yes, but they didn't put it all together.

Now they're going to put all of that information together and use it everywhere. It's a simple change of scale, and for me it's now gone past the point where I disliked it but accepted it in return for a free service, and it's into the territory where I don't accept it and do something about it.

It's also about the direction they're going in, and about trust. Google was awesome in the past - really innovative products, pretty much everything for free, and they were all about openness, "Do no evil" and such. I don't think that's been the case lately - the privacy and anti-trust regulators are taking more and more of an interest, there's their seriously dodgy stance on patents, and they're moving much more towards full-on profiling for their ad networks. Google is no longer a company I want to have too much of my personal info.



Bu of course they don't - and even if they did, that would limit it to just email, and not search, reader, maps, apps, etc.



I already have 2 google accounts (private and business), but I don't like the idea of having more. 1 for each product would work, but it'd mean I have way too many accounts to remember. Why not have different accounts with different companies, then I can re-use my name + password in a really unsecure but easy to remember way for all the less-important stuff :)



I do that, but I need webmail too. e.g. I need access to email at work daily, and I don't want all my personal email stored on a work computer ;)



Guess what, this is why I don't use Facebook :D (OK, so I do have an account there - but it's totally empty, I just use it for dev stuff). And yeah, I'm really amazed that Facebook hasn't been fucked hard by the regulators for the shit they pull regularly.

Speaking of the regulators, the EU has pretty much said that google's new privacy policy doesn't meet EU laws - it's not just me that's finding it a bit too invasive ;)



I tried adwords once too. Built a reasonable site about app development / some of my apps + services, and wanted to put a few ads on to support some of the free stuff I was doing then. They reviewed the site and rejected it because of 'lack of content'. There was nothing much other than content on there, but they reckoned it was a spam site basically - I got this from talking to some of their reps on their forums. Wtf!

It got approved after just resubmitting from what I remember, but the ads worked out to be utterly worthless anyway. I think it's true, people just don't click on those ads, except perhaps by accident now and then. I put a donate button on instead and at least got a few thankyous + donations from people who liked the software. I recommend that route instead of ads :)

Oh yeah, forgot to mention. Important page: google.com/history. Turn off your web history and they no longer monitor all your searches :)

psonice: do you think that is correct? after the new policy don't you think the U.S. government have made an agreement with google to monitor searches anyway? maybe they just say they don't, and that is correct, but they hide something else, that you don't know of.

Except Google Docs, Youtube, Maps, etc were all able to use your contacts from Gmail, Gmail was using your data from Google Calendar, and so on. It was always one single account in multiple services, what were you expecting? All they're doing is optimizing.

Instead of Google Analytics: http://piwik.org. Open source php/mysql. (Why? Because they could use some competition :) http://www.annehelmond.nl/2012/02/29/track-the-trackers-and-watch-the-watchers)

Newsblur only supports 64 sites unless you pay.

gargaj: google are presenting it as just a quick bit of optimising, the regulators are saying it goes way beyond that. I'd trust the privacy regulator's opinion a lot more than the company spin personally ;)

Besides, even if they hadn't changed their policies, I think it would still be time to move on. As I said, I trust the company less than I did last year or the year before, and a company I trust less each year should not hold lots of data about me.

Goto80: Thanks, I'll probably drop that in - I'm planning to re-write my site in the next 4-5 months, it would be good to have some analytics back.

And yeah, I know about the 64 site limit in newsblur. That's way more than I need anyway, but I don't mind paying a bit for a good service. I was even a bit disappointed that their iPhone app is free, that would be a good way for me to support the company if they charged some reasonable fee for it. (From what I've seen, it's actually just 1 guy running newsblur, and I like what he's done :)

i'm all in favor of psonice's reasoning, trying to do a similar transition and finding it difficult. dont sell away all your privacy for services. you don't really know who has access to it. call it paranoia if you will, but i believe it's possible to have same services with secure open source solutions and that we all should be walking in that direction while we still can. to force the companies working on those areas to have more care and transparency with our personal data.

Actually the "paranoid" angle does deserve some consideration.

Personally I have "nothing to hide" at all in my email and reading habits. I have no concern that that CIA or whoever might be monitoring my data - and frankly, if they are then I don't care. They'll find nothing of interest, and won't be knocking on my door. Maybe elsewhere they will find something interesting, will be knocking on somebody's door, and maybe that person was going to plant a bomb somewhere I was planning to visit, so maybe it's a good thing if they ARE looking into my private data. There's no issue at all there for me - today.

But let's say there's a huge recession in europe in the next few years, millions are unemployed, welfare is cut right back, people want somebody to blame - and we get an extreme right-wing government who want to crack down on creative types, liberals, basically everyone who doesn't agree with them. They have the power to force google to provide access to our profiles of course, and they have the tools to mine that data. At that point, I probably do have plenty to hide - and so would most of you.

Now that's very unlikely, but it has happened before. It's happening now in some far corners of the world. There's no guarantee it won't happen here again at some point.

The solution to that? A bit of balance, as usual: use these services, but don't put your whole life in the hands of a single company. You don't know who might have access to it in future, and you don't know what their motives might be. You might be thankful you did it one day.

And of course, if you do that: everyone wins. It's not like google is about to go bust and absolutely *needs* your data for their advertisers, and there are thousands of other sites out there offering really cool new products that really *do* need your support. Spread the love a bit.

you like to play games psonice. and you are afraid of games that play you.
you are so normal. normal, fully normal.

media sentry: um, what?

you know discussing on the internet is like [insert stuff here] ;)

discussion even

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