RIP Steve Jobs
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Preacher nailed it, on both occasions.
C64 and Amiga were the historical platforms for creative hackers; computers built for the kind of curious hobbyists (not ordinary people!) that we are. There is really no similar platform today (Linux comes closest I guess, but it's still more aimed at sysadmins and the like).
Whatever floats your boat I guess, but please stop being smug about your Macs - they're not really as great as you make them out to be. It's the smugness that gets people angry at Mac users, as if they somehow understood something we others didn't.
Whatever floats your boat I guess, but please stop being smug about your Macs - they're not really as great as you make them out to be. It's the smugness that gets people angry at Mac users, as if they somehow understood something we others didn't.
While not an Apple fanboy by any stretch, I do appreciate the bold moves they make which genuinely push the industry forward. I've heard people argue that they don't innovate and simply refine concepts - but I can't name another computer company that pulls if it off with such style, attention to detail and boldness.
Without Steve Jobs, there would have been no iPod, iPhone, iPad or iMac. You can debate endlessly about whether moves such as DRM and walled gardens suck or not, but from a business standpoint, Apple is phenomenal - and it's all to do with the leadership of Steve Jobs. The sales figures prove this.
But as for the man himself, I'll certainly miss the buzz of Keynote speeches lead by him, the follow-on debates I will have amongst friends which simply wont have the same feeling they did as when they were fronted by Steve.
Rest in Peace.
Without Steve Jobs, there would have been no iPod, iPhone, iPad or iMac. You can debate endlessly about whether moves such as DRM and walled gardens suck or not, but from a business standpoint, Apple is phenomenal - and it's all to do with the leadership of Steve Jobs. The sales figures prove this.
But as for the man himself, I'll certainly miss the buzz of Keynote speeches lead by him, the follow-on debates I will have amongst friends which simply wont have the same feeling they did as when they were fronted by Steve.
Rest in Peace.
Also, PowerPC is one horrible, overdesigned architecture (had to work woth it on four different platforms). I'd prefer ARM, MIPS and even good old clumsy x86 every day.
(seriously. I despise little endian vs big endian wars as much as the guy who coined the term "endian" for byte order because it's just too funny where it actually comes from, but numbering the bits in a way that bit x does not mean 2^x? WTF?)
Oh, topic, yeah. RIP, mad props for revolutionizing one market and creating two others in the last 10 years... And good/sad to see that money can't buy you everything.
(seriously. I despise little endian vs big endian wars as much as the guy who coined the term "endian" for byte order because it's just too funny where it actually comes from, but numbering the bits in a way that bit x does not mean 2^x? WTF?)
Oh, topic, yeah. RIP, mad props for revolutionizing one market and creating two others in the last 10 years... And good/sad to see that money can't buy you everything.
Not that I like either man but this is why I'd go Bill Gates funeral and would never attend Jobs' (if I was invited). I also heartily agree with zerkman on the planned obsolescence thing - my 5 yr. old nokia brick which has been driven over, dropped, kicked, thrown and submerged is still my work phone. My Huawei Android spends it's days sitting on the bench looking pretty.
When did it become ok to be so vacuous as to need the brand-spanking newest mobile every year or so?
When did it become ok to be so vacuous as to need the brand-spanking newest mobile every year or so?
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And good/sad to see that money can't buy you everything.
IMO that's the most important part of his death. Money can buy you love, but can't buy you life. Live happy and make demos.
Steve Jobs didn't invent anything special but somehow he had the power of making things move forward from portable multimedia players to tablet pcs. And he did it well enough to make masses forget those things existed before. It's up to anyone to judge whether that's good or bad. And let's not forget Pixar.
And let's not forget Pixar.
FUCK YEAH.
FUCK YEAH.
zerkman still has the leading, no matter what.
some macs are great for running Linux :p
but yea i mostly use OS X at my laptop
xrl: "And he did it well enough to make masses forget those things existed before"
Did they? Name one portable mp3 player before the iPod that didn't suck (like, taking 5 seconds to update the 2-line display when trying to skip to the next song). Name one smartphone before the iPhone that didn't suck (MS's PocketPC/WinCE was a bad joke for users and devs alike, Blackberries existed but were far too special purpose). Name one tablet before the iPad that didn't suck (as in: touch-friendly GUI for _all_ programs without needing to operate stock Windows/Linux in between).
Of course all of these devices existed, somehow, before Apple put an "i" before them - but not a single one of them had anything that could be called a good UI. And if you're used to SSH into one of the linux servers in your attic/kitchen just to download a file from the internet or write a mail then you're just not the intended target audience, which is "people without too much time on their hands to fiddle with technology". And even as a scener/coder/nerd/dev for the last 25ish years, I count myself firmly within that group.
Did they? Name one portable mp3 player before the iPod that didn't suck (like, taking 5 seconds to update the 2-line display when trying to skip to the next song). Name one smartphone before the iPhone that didn't suck (MS's PocketPC/WinCE was a bad joke for users and devs alike, Blackberries existed but were far too special purpose). Name one tablet before the iPad that didn't suck (as in: touch-friendly GUI for _all_ programs without needing to operate stock Windows/Linux in between).
Of course all of these devices existed, somehow, before Apple put an "i" before them - but not a single one of them had anything that could be called a good UI. And if you're used to SSH into one of the linux servers in your attic/kitchen just to download a file from the internet or write a mail then you're just not the intended target audience, which is "people without too much time on their hands to fiddle with technology". And even as a scener/coder/nerd/dev for the last 25ish years, I count myself firmly within that group.
"Pixar began in 1979 as the Graphics Group, part of the Computer Division of Lucasfilm before it was acquired by Apple co-founder Steve Jobs in 1986."
I will say for Apple that they have left a wake of similar products that don't repeat the same annoying mistakes Apple did, and that part i like.
I like my does-less-but-better-also-without-iTunes Cowon S9 PMP and Android phone with slide-out qwerty keyboard which i can develop software with at no extra fee. Neither cost as much as the Apple offering, both suit me better, and very likely both owe their existence to wanting to compete in the same space as the iPod and iPhone respectively.
Can the same be said of the Commodore 64, that it owes its existence to a chain of events started by the Apple I? Maybe, even if everyone except a few die-hards have forgotten that Commodore, Spectrum, Atari, etc ever existed - but let's not forget the Atari ST was once nicknamed the "Jackintosh" after Jack Tramiel.
Kind of the same thing happened with Pixar: even though TV series and so on had been made entirely within computers before it, they made the first feature-length CG animated movie and now that's normal. Even FOSS stuff like Blender contains research by the Pixar guys (Catmull subsurf). Pixar's competitors, just like Apple's, have gone in different directions that Pixar themselves never would have gone in, and that's a good thing because Pixar's starting to turn out questionable cash-ins like Cars 2.
So it's good that Jobs "sucked" enough for other companies to make more diverse (and arguably better) product once a market was awakened, either to spend money on Apple/Pixar stuff or to hold out for something better.
So Steve Jobs did indirectly start a lot of good things rolling, even if you dislike Apple and/or Pixar, so let's leave it there.
I like my does-less-but-better-also-without-iTunes Cowon S9 PMP and Android phone with slide-out qwerty keyboard which i can develop software with at no extra fee. Neither cost as much as the Apple offering, both suit me better, and very likely both owe their existence to wanting to compete in the same space as the iPod and iPhone respectively.
Can the same be said of the Commodore 64, that it owes its existence to a chain of events started by the Apple I? Maybe, even if everyone except a few die-hards have forgotten that Commodore, Spectrum, Atari, etc ever existed - but let's not forget the Atari ST was once nicknamed the "Jackintosh" after Jack Tramiel.
Kind of the same thing happened with Pixar: even though TV series and so on had been made entirely within computers before it, they made the first feature-length CG animated movie and now that's normal. Even FOSS stuff like Blender contains research by the Pixar guys (Catmull subsurf). Pixar's competitors, just like Apple's, have gone in different directions that Pixar themselves never would have gone in, and that's a good thing because Pixar's starting to turn out questionable cash-ins like Cars 2.
So it's good that Jobs "sucked" enough for other companies to make more diverse (and arguably better) product once a market was awakened, either to spend money on Apple/Pixar stuff or to hold out for something better.
So Steve Jobs did indirectly start a lot of good things rolling, even if you dislike Apple and/or Pixar, so let's leave it there.
I dont like Apple's ways with things, but Jobs is a human being and considering (how) he left Apple it was pretty obvious he didnt have long to go, but this was quite short, too short for anyone. hope he had a good time with his family in his last days nevertheless!
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{...} and that's a good thing because Pixar's starting to turn out questionable cash-ins like Cars 2
greetings to (c)Disney for that :(
Steve Jobs also was on the board of disney.
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Apple I and II introduced the whole concept of "home computer" and started the microcomputer revolution. Without them, there wouldn't have been things like the C-64 or even the IBM PC.
The media seems to be completely forgetting this aspect, thinking that Macintosh was Apple's first influential product.
Chuck Peddle would like to have a word with you out behind the bike shed.
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You're cute when you're being an idiot :)okay, so you have no arguments except "they are successful so they are right" or "stop being disrespectful". usual fanboy bullshit.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Oh yeah, we're living again the Amiga / Atari war (or whichever), so rejuvenating!...
Guys, please stay cool...
Guys, please stay cool...
i never got the whole apple thing until i got a macbook pro, which i really love!
i do run windows on it 99.5% of the time tho
i do run windows on it 99.5% of the time tho
The other 0.5% on C64 emulator.
RIP
