Scene.org Awards 2011
category: parties [glöplog]
Go to their website and read it.. it's not some sort of secret society or anything...
Can we nominate Navis for best whining of 2011?
wait? it's on a website? bollocks, so i invented this secret handshake for nothing? :(((
my avatar is a clue how the handshake goes btw!!!
so THAT's why your wrist hurts...
Navis: I thought Nordic Conspiracy was really a secret society! You spoiled our façade! :(
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it's also quite interesting that out of the 15 members of the jury only about 3-4 people actually left a comment on said production's pouet page, and these comments are rather lukewarm (contrary to the reception of the other 5 nominated productions, especially agent and youshould). Strange...
This is what you get with a jury with 15 people voting. A production might be the best on average, but not anyones definitive favorite.
Perhaps some jury member happens to have the average taste and can step forward and explain why the winning production is the best choice, but it may as well be that no one is 100% happy with the results.
Also it's very hard to get the categories balanced so that not the same demos are nominated in all categories or that the same demo wins several awards(apart from the fact that the top groups make demos that are solid in all departments), since you don't know how the others are voting and what the results will be.
You could have much more balanced categories with a small jury who pick the nominees and winners, but then I guess that talk about "Nordic Conspiracy" would stop being just a meme.
Until now I have watched in silence but think the time has come to say some things. A lot of things, actually. First of all, the most important thing:
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE SUPPORT!
This goes both for me personally, as the feedback for this Award show edition has been incredibly positive, and for the entire Scene.org Awards crew (at least as far as I know). Thank you for...well..everything, from voting to discussing, coming to the show, watching the show on the net and, of course, creating these pieces of art that often still open my mouth and eyes wide.
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TO ALL THE ORGANIZERS AT THE GATHERING
It was an unfathomable pleasure and honor to be working with you, and this goes for both the entire production crew and everybody else I have met at TG. Duckers and Lug00ber, from you I received an amount of support I would've never expected, and I cannot find good words to say how much I am in awe of your efforts at TG.
Production crew, you probably noticed how unexpectedly the debriefing after the Awards show was for me, and hopefully also how much I was glowing with happiness to notice that you had been looking forward to this show as THE MAIN event at TG, and that you'd had an equally good time as we did.
You did very well, and your commitment is outstanding. It makes me very proud to have been at your event.
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MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON HOSTING THE AWARDS AT THE GATHERING
I was initially hesitant about the idea of hosting the Awards show at TG, for pretty much all the reasons mentioned in this endless Pouet thread. And I think now more than ever before that hosting the show at TG was the very best thing we could have done, not only for TG but for the entire Demoscene. The visitor numbers at Revision show clearly that the marketing efforts paid off, and I'm sure that all the rumpus would've seemed somewhat pointless if there hadn't been a "competing" demoparty that would at times state things like "Forget about Germany". All this couldn't have provided more oxygen for Revision's and its fans' enthusiasm.
The budget question has been discussed at length here but let me add one small detail. In my opinion, the statues are an extremely nice asset to winning an award, and whoever has won one will certainly agree. These statues don't come for free, and I am utterly grateful for TG offering to cover for not only this year's but also LAST YEAR's statues, something that TG really had nothing to do with. Holding an actual statue in your hands is something so much different from holding a mere certificate.
At the time TG offered to host and sponsor the awards, there was no alternative offer. Yes, I know there had been rumors about a German party. I was part of the team that said we'd want to organize a successor party. But it just wasn't clear it would happen for sure, and even if so, said party would have never been able to support the awards financially. Whether this was absolutely necessary or not, I will leave to others to decide, but I think I speak for everybody at Scene.org when I say that we're all very happy we were able to cover for two years of statues in one go.
The only thing you might want to blame TG for is posing the hosting question at a time when "the successor party" didn't really exist. But that's just their choice, and not only would I have done the very same thing but we at Scene.org were even happy that we had found such a hospitable solution so far in advance. Now than ever before I am convinced that TG offered to host the show (at least also) because of their commitment and enthusiasm about the Awards show, something that I, frankly, at times have slight difficulties to see in some circles.
ON CRITCISM ABOUT THE GATHERING
I've heard a lot of rumor about TG but NONE of the people badmouthing TG to me last year had actually BEEN there. I appreciate your loyalty to "the scene" (whatever that is) but talking about "splitting the scene" seems extremely ironic to a scene so small that almost nobody outside of it has ever heard about it. And please spare us all the crap about how much it's like Assembly. I have never been to Assembly myself but I have heard equally many voices saying that there are substantial differences between the two. And as long as you haven't seen both, it's not your opinion to have.
Now, if you have never been to TG there, here's something you need to do before having an opinion. Not only because it's sensible to know what you're talking about, but also because TG has a variety of things you might actually LIKE.
Yes, many teenagers at TG play games. Yes, they might be wasting their potential, and yes, they might look silly to us. They're teenagers. But some -- and I have also been talked to directly after the show by several kids who were excited to start something creative -- have a commitment about even the Demoscene that I sense lacking in some of "us" who spend a lot of time fighting instead of nurturing what some call "the scene spirit".
The TG kids by the way also have a very impressive way of bringing half of their bedroom that might have even put Scamp's endeavors in best times to shame. :) Seriously, it's very impressive to see how committed they are, regardless of what they do. And besides, they're EXACTLY our target group when it comes to keeping the scene alive. We're all aging, and if it's not people among the thousands of enthusiastic teenagers at TG who might become creative any time soon, I don't know who could be.
I strongly encourage everybody to try the 2-events-during-Easter thing just like I did this year with about 10 other sceners, especially if you've never been to TG. It is an utterly enjoyable thing to do, it will very likely strengthen your scene spirit, and believe me, if you really want to be, you will be drunk for a respectable part of the time. They're Norwegians; they've done their homework. :)
On top, when booked way in advance, it's not only cheap but you also don't miss the demo compos at Revision if that's what's keeping you back.
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Nobody asked me to state any of this on Pouet, or anywhere else, for that matter.
And off-topic, I very much liked Maali's Garfield comic in which I am supposed to be wearing a Gucci suit. Let's keep that thought. :)
I will now finish my day by moving our Easter pictures from the camera to dwell in memories. Good night.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INCREDIBLE SUPPORT!
This goes both for me personally, as the feedback for this Award show edition has been incredibly positive, and for the entire Scene.org Awards crew (at least as far as I know). Thank you for...well..everything, from voting to discussing, coming to the show, watching the show on the net and, of course, creating these pieces of art that often still open my mouth and eyes wide.
---
TO ALL THE ORGANIZERS AT THE GATHERING
It was an unfathomable pleasure and honor to be working with you, and this goes for both the entire production crew and everybody else I have met at TG. Duckers and Lug00ber, from you I received an amount of support I would've never expected, and I cannot find good words to say how much I am in awe of your efforts at TG.
Production crew, you probably noticed how unexpectedly the debriefing after the Awards show was for me, and hopefully also how much I was glowing with happiness to notice that you had been looking forward to this show as THE MAIN event at TG, and that you'd had an equally good time as we did.
You did very well, and your commitment is outstanding. It makes me very proud to have been at your event.
---
MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON HOSTING THE AWARDS AT THE GATHERING
I was initially hesitant about the idea of hosting the Awards show at TG, for pretty much all the reasons mentioned in this endless Pouet thread. And I think now more than ever before that hosting the show at TG was the very best thing we could have done, not only for TG but for the entire Demoscene. The visitor numbers at Revision show clearly that the marketing efforts paid off, and I'm sure that all the rumpus would've seemed somewhat pointless if there hadn't been a "competing" demoparty that would at times state things like "Forget about Germany". All this couldn't have provided more oxygen for Revision's and its fans' enthusiasm.
The budget question has been discussed at length here but let me add one small detail. In my opinion, the statues are an extremely nice asset to winning an award, and whoever has won one will certainly agree. These statues don't come for free, and I am utterly grateful for TG offering to cover for not only this year's but also LAST YEAR's statues, something that TG really had nothing to do with. Holding an actual statue in your hands is something so much different from holding a mere certificate.
At the time TG offered to host and sponsor the awards, there was no alternative offer. Yes, I know there had been rumors about a German party. I was part of the team that said we'd want to organize a successor party. But it just wasn't clear it would happen for sure, and even if so, said party would have never been able to support the awards financially. Whether this was absolutely necessary or not, I will leave to others to decide, but I think I speak for everybody at Scene.org when I say that we're all very happy we were able to cover for two years of statues in one go.
The only thing you might want to blame TG for is posing the hosting question at a time when "the successor party" didn't really exist. But that's just their choice, and not only would I have done the very same thing but we at Scene.org were even happy that we had found such a hospitable solution so far in advance. Now than ever before I am convinced that TG offered to host the show (at least also) because of their commitment and enthusiasm about the Awards show, something that I, frankly, at times have slight difficulties to see in some circles.
ON CRITCISM ABOUT THE GATHERING
I've heard a lot of rumor about TG but NONE of the people badmouthing TG to me last year had actually BEEN there. I appreciate your loyalty to "the scene" (whatever that is) but talking about "splitting the scene" seems extremely ironic to a scene so small that almost nobody outside of it has ever heard about it. And please spare us all the crap about how much it's like Assembly. I have never been to Assembly myself but I have heard equally many voices saying that there are substantial differences between the two. And as long as you haven't seen both, it's not your opinion to have.
Now, if you have never been to TG there, here's something you need to do before having an opinion. Not only because it's sensible to know what you're talking about, but also because TG has a variety of things you might actually LIKE.
Yes, many teenagers at TG play games. Yes, they might be wasting their potential, and yes, they might look silly to us. They're teenagers. But some -- and I have also been talked to directly after the show by several kids who were excited to start something creative -- have a commitment about even the Demoscene that I sense lacking in some of "us" who spend a lot of time fighting instead of nurturing what some call "the scene spirit".
The TG kids by the way also have a very impressive way of bringing half of their bedroom that might have even put Scamp's endeavors in best times to shame. :) Seriously, it's very impressive to see how committed they are, regardless of what they do. And besides, they're EXACTLY our target group when it comes to keeping the scene alive. We're all aging, and if it's not people among the thousands of enthusiastic teenagers at TG who might become creative any time soon, I don't know who could be.
I strongly encourage everybody to try the 2-events-during-Easter thing just like I did this year with about 10 other sceners, especially if you've never been to TG. It is an utterly enjoyable thing to do, it will very likely strengthen your scene spirit, and believe me, if you really want to be, you will be drunk for a respectable part of the time. They're Norwegians; they've done their homework. :)
On top, when booked way in advance, it's not only cheap but you also don't miss the demo compos at Revision if that's what's keeping you back.
---
Nobody asked me to state any of this on Pouet, or anywhere else, for that matter.
And off-topic, I very much liked Maali's Garfield comic in which I am supposed to be wearing a Gucci suit. Let's keep that thought. :)
I will now finish my day by moving our Easter pictures from the camera to dwell in memories. Good night.
frank: whatever you were wearing came pretty close though! :)
Interview with Smash on gathering.org:
http://www.gathering.org/tg11/en/news/185/56/A-Smash-ing-night/
http://www.gathering.org/tg11/en/news/185/56/A-Smash-ing-night/
Great pictures \o/
i really liked this ODD live act, i guess i have to cut it out by myself from the awards show, right? :)
i'm with you on that pro, except, "singer" obviously not aware when to "sing" and player holding cable+plug in hand, as far as we saw it on the stream.
And regarding the stream, your guys controlling the cameras, try not using your zoom function that much, most of the time, all we could see of Netpoet was his face, beautiful, but just not enough, we want to see his body to!
- On a serious matter, you went close up way to much, unfortunatly, otherwise, good but a bit to clean and pants on for me.
And regarding the stream, your guys controlling the cameras, try not using your zoom function that much, most of the time, all we could see of Netpoet was his face, beautiful, but just not enough, we want to see his body to!
- On a serious matter, you went close up way to much, unfortunatly, otherwise, good but a bit to clean and pants on for me.
Navis: there are voting guidelines for the various categories of the Scene.org Awards which are handed out to all jurors before voting begins. There is really nothing secret about them, so I'll see if I can't get them published on the Awards website alongside the categories they describe.
In terms of the "Best Graphics"-category, the guidelines say to specifically ignore "the big picture" and try to focus on the graphics themselves.
In terms of the "Best Graphics"-category, the guidelines say to specifically ignore "the big picture" and try to focus on the graphics themselves.
dwarf, hehe, yep, it was more live acting than live singing and live playing :) but it fit the picture. somehow :)
@pro: I have high hopes that it's possible to publish the "music video" in addition to the entire show :)
On the awards topic, I actually liked the split presentation to be honest, it was the closest connection I felt between Germany and Norway during Easter-time, and it's certainly a better solution than having some silly pre-made video from The Gathering.
The only downside was of course that one incredibly awkward moment when noone understood why I was so happy about Portal Process winning Best 64k, but that's a different story :D
The only downside was of course that one incredibly awkward moment when noone understood why I was so happy about Portal Process winning Best 64k, but that's a different story :D
i liked the split presentation because it meant that with careful timing of the stream delay i could call meaty when he was about to speak on stage
smash: me and Truck (backstage) enjoyed that as well, because watching meaty stumbling into some rant made it feel like we were both on AsmTV again :)
So.. Is there a video of the awards anywhere? I can't find any..
Not yet. Video department swamped in real life work after easter. I am nagging in appropriate intervals.
Ok, thanks.
And now there is this:
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=57330
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=57330
Lug00ber you ROCKS!
