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hmm who defined a term "scener" first time anyway?

about the "hangaround-sceners"...
btw, have you thought that they actually keep the demoparties alive? because.. parties get more cash from their entrance fees (probably over 50%), and surely organizers don't want to have their incomes negative.

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totally agree...

I also agree. I mean honestly, it'd be a pretty small party if only the demo coders were to show up.

Think about it.

to be a scener, you *must* make scene-related things. i prefer coding demos home, and get really drunk at parties. but still, im actually making demos. that makes me a scener.

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totally agree...

fuckings to all hangaround-sceners who are too pathetic to get boozing buddies, real friends or dates outside of the scene!

I still think to "socialization" with other demosceners as to a scene-related thing.
Expecially if it takes place in a demoparty and if the average talks involve demoscene facts/people/gossip/rantings.

So Leia likes taking pictures (drinking beer) and uploading them to slengpung. Big deal. If you don't lilke them, don't watch them. If slengpung needs a new hard drive, convince her to make a bigger contribution :-) It's not like pouet doesn't have its fair share of lousy productions!

You can't discriminate the active sceners from the boozing ones at parties. The scene is not a gang or a secret cult where each member has to prove him/herself to be a part of it. I thought it is an open community!

If people prefer to booze/hangaround at parties, let them. They don't hurt anyone, they bring more money to the organizers and more new faces in the scene. As long as they respect party regulations of course and don't do any harm.

Oh, and we should give up this stupid 'free entrance for girls tradition'. You know, it's a free world, we are all equal etc. I mean, damn, is this the demoscene or the nazi party?

I love the "demoscene must play along my rules", "my ideas for the demoscene", "my definitions of demoscene terminology", "my criteria for being a scener" and so on bullshit talks.

Face it: the scene is an open society with no organization. NO ONE has any right definining terminology and criteria for anything (except maybe specific compo rules). This actually makes demoscene interesting, imho.

(Please don't reply with the most obvious pseudophilosophic metacrap.)

From the "article":
[quote]If you want a booze event, organize a freaking booze event!quote]

Right on! Sounds like a love child from Boozembly and Scene Event to me. I'd pay good money to see that.

Also, Burt appears to dismiss the fact that Leia actually *did* do some stuff. Okay, it bites ass on many a occassion, but not irrelevant. Convenient!

To me, the scene is about friendship and fun. I don't really see how hangarounds (boys OR girls) or beer conflicts with that. I guess the REAL problem here is that mr Lancaster has his own idea of what the scene is, and who are welcome. To claim that female "hangarounds" (i really dislike the term, because it implies that the person don't belong there or something) in the scene are any more non-productive than male "hangarounds" are just ignorant and sexist. Yes there are shitloads of males who get accepted in the scene without actually producing stuff. And I don't really see the problem with that.

shifter, i believe burt never mentioned names.

skrebbel: he did

Uttumuttu, you haven't learned to respect them enough.
You know, those people have been following the scene for a long time. Sometimes even years. Maybe they've planned writing a demo some day too. Of course they have all the right and knowledge to come and teach us newbies stuff like, what is not a demo, how the scene should develop, who is the real audience we should target at and what kind of behaviour is definitely not acceptable.

I wonder where would be be if we didn't listen to such visionaries. We'd probably be stuck with people who concentrate on boring technical shit or, for goodness sake, base their demo around a single effect! That's no progress. Shit, maybe we wouldn't even go to the biggest and baddest events like the party or dreamhack anymore. Horror.

kusma, ok. didn't bother reading all too closely.

kusma: i believe one of his points were that there seem to be an increasing focus on the boozing, rather than the good old demoparty-culture which i presume mr. lancaster grew up with. i can relate to that, since i came into the scene when it was just starting, and the need for getting senselessly drunk and/or just being a hangaround didn't seem to come about until later (around '98 > today).

if i had the option of getting a room full of sceners, creating great demos/graphics/music, talking, sharing ideas and having fun or some drunkard lamers running around talking shit all day ... well, you can guess.

sure, something in between exists - for example scene event, or assembly (if one actually spends some time inside, that is), but pure booze-parties that just happen to be populated by sceners aren't appealing to me at all.

So what was the 'swapper's functionality back in the days?

The only thing I really can't stand is ignorant morons who never made a single productions, yet shows up at demoparties and pretends to be some very original demomaker. Tho, that isn't really scenerelated for me, I hate those kinds of people in all societies.

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Heh, swappers. Man, those sure were the days....

At least the swappers would put out sometimes. ;)

i was a swapper/musician and i wouldn't have had it any other way - the swapping was the social engagement back then, compared to falling over drunk all over the place... and stefan - i hate posers too, but especially in the demoscene, since it's such a small community. they tend to stick out more, and the funny/annoying thing is: i don't think they are aware themselves that they are behaving like idiots.

gloom: Aggreed. Hello Theodore btw.

300 photos of Leia drinking beer on Slengpung.
300 photos of Leia drinking beer.
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299 photos of Leia drinking beer on Slengpung.

299 photos of Leia drinking beer on Slengpung.
299 photos of Leia drinking beer.
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298 photos of Leia drinking beer on Slengpung.
298 photos of Leia drinking beer.
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297 photos of Leia drinking beer on Slengpung.
297 photos of Leia drinking beer.
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Oh, to hell with it...

My oh my what a nice thread.

Nosfe: Hey, I'm in FAG too and i object ;)

Gloom: "Thanks"

Shifter: Real thanks go to you

And yeah. It seems to be a common misunderstanding that if you make stuff that other people don't like, you're not a scener. At least among some of you people here. So that's good. Now the scene is suddenly about making commercial shit that everyone likes. Let's all go mainstream and be happy, eigh?

oh and..

zoom: that can be arranged, just call me up for a private convestaion :)

havoc: it's already in the stores. haven't you seen it?

ithaqua: now breakpoint makes much more sense.


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