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I want to see one of these flamefests WITHOUT the screens :) Would pay money to witness in person..
ferris: i'll punch your nose!!!!!!!1111ONE
a flamefests without dubmood is not a real flamefest!
so, now that everything has been covered (I hope); where can I download the music?
Ferris: just ask me and truck about Pouet at Solskogen, but you have to pay up front. (In beers.)
rez: razor sucks!
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but (with a few exceptions) there's nothing profound about any demo
Out of curiousity, what do you consider exceptions?
Some exceptions that spring to mind are:
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=3465
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=31571
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=4103
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=5
It's because they have a thought provoking narrative of sorts and a message to convey.
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=3465
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=31571
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=4103
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=5
It's because they have a thought provoking narrative of sorts and a message to convey.
Maali: When do I get my next demotool? <3
Gargaj: will do :)
Gargaj: will do :)
Talking about it, heaven7 soundtrack makes me want to cut my ears. badly.
Wade: but now we're shifting to the territory of "demo has narrative/message" which wasn't the subject matter, the subject matter was demos that are "profound", whatever that may stand for.
I can understand that a demo with a red line in it (like Numb Res or Finally Inside or Bakkslide 7, obvious as they may seem) has an easier job building a tangible atmosphere, but I'm just gonna throw this in and say that e.g. D796 or Kolonija are equally atmospheric even though it's a harder job to discern what they might be about. Note that just because you don't ENJOY the atmosphere doesn't mean there ISN'T one.
What I'm driving at here is that it seems preemptive and somewhat careless to dismiss a demo just because it's less obvious or because it's unusual.
I can understand that a demo with a red line in it (like Numb Res or Finally Inside or Bakkslide 7, obvious as they may seem) has an easier job building a tangible atmosphere, but I'm just gonna throw this in and say that e.g. D796 or Kolonija are equally atmospheric even though it's a harder job to discern what they might be about. Note that just because you don't ENJOY the atmosphere doesn't mean there ISN'T one.
What I'm driving at here is that it seems preemptive and somewhat careless to dismiss a demo just because it's less obvious or because it's unusual.
Gargaj: By saying that most demos aren't profound is not an insult to them. Demos don't have to have meaning or any emotional impact to be enjoyable, and that's my point. I'm saying that some sceners tend to intellectualise demos way too much instead of just enjoying the show.
I believe there are any grounds to say that Cdak is any deeper or more of an intellectual challenge than The Popular demo, for example.
Some people prefer noise based soundtracks, whereas some, like myself, prefer retro style stuff. It's just a matter of taste, but for some reason, my tastes are considered shallow.
I believe there are any grounds to say that Cdak is any deeper or more of an intellectual challenge than The Popular demo, for example.
Some people prefer noise based soundtracks, whereas some, like myself, prefer retro style stuff. It's just a matter of taste, but for some reason, my tastes are considered shallow.
*I DON'T believe....
But the same way, you consider their taste pretentious, and then it escalates into a big he-said-she-said :)
As for intellectualization, I'd actually prefer it, even with the risk of the emperor's new clothes. I've made abstract stuff before where I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to say (example), and made it obscure so people would need to make up their own interpretation, and I was a bit disappointed when they didn't. I feel we'd be missing out on a lot of artistic potential if we'd confine demos to be strictly "cool shit".
I guess what I'm saying is, sure, demos don't _need_ to be heartwrenching or thoughtprovoking or the sort, but it'd be a mistake to demand them to be a "show" too. Yes, it's traditionally about pushing hardware limits and making visual greatness, but sometimes that's not an option, nor it is necessary. (D-Four is a great example here.)
As for intellectualization, I'd actually prefer it, even with the risk of the emperor's new clothes. I've made abstract stuff before where I had a very clear idea of what I wanted to say (example), and made it obscure so people would need to make up their own interpretation, and I was a bit disappointed when they didn't. I feel we'd be missing out on a lot of artistic potential if we'd confine demos to be strictly "cool shit".
I guess what I'm saying is, sure, demos don't _need_ to be heartwrenching or thoughtprovoking or the sort, but it'd be a mistake to demand them to be a "show" too. Yes, it's traditionally about pushing hardware limits and making visual greatness, but sometimes that's not an option, nor it is necessary. (D-Four is a great example here.)
Gargaj, I'm often facing people who actually think I'm pretentious because I like this kind of music and that kind of art. If you tell them that these tastes came after listening and watching more and more different kind of music/art, they would come to the same conclusion: yeah, see, you're pretentious, you're just saying you did more than us...
And it's true, but if you say to people "you're not doing the necessar amount of effort", you're being pretentious. And it's true, they are not doing any efforts, they just stay in the comfort zone: I only want to watch things I like, why should I bother with things I dislike? Life is not made for having such kind of experiences, I want to enjoy everything.
And that's how it works, some person needs to discover more, some stay in the comfort zone. There also are people who venture into different scenes and at some age, they just stop, they had enough, they want to settle down on what they know and "enjoy life as it is".
Let say Wade just want to enjoy life, it's cool, he just needs to be respectful with people who need and ask for more, because, we all, pretentious guys, are humans after all :)
And it's true, but if you say to people "you're not doing the necessar amount of effort", you're being pretentious. And it's true, they are not doing any efforts, they just stay in the comfort zone: I only want to watch things I like, why should I bother with things I dislike? Life is not made for having such kind of experiences, I want to enjoy everything.
And that's how it works, some person needs to discover more, some stay in the comfort zone. There also are people who venture into different scenes and at some age, they just stop, they had enough, they want to settle down on what they know and "enjoy life as it is".
Let say Wade just want to enjoy life, it's cool, he just needs to be respectful with people who need and ask for more, because, we all, pretentious guys, are humans after all :)
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It's just a matter of taste, but for some reason, my tastes are considered shallow.
Football, shallow. Contemporary ballet, not shallow.
It's just the way the world.
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Let say Wade just want to enjoy life, it's cool, he just needs to be respectful with people who need and ask for more, because, we all, pretentious guys, are humans after all :)
I agree with you on wanting more, and I love something that is intellectually challenging, that keeps me awake at night pondering, but I don't get that from minimalism or abstract art. I actually consider that settling for less.
Not to say you are wrong for liking it, but just as you might see my tastes as shallow, I see this stuff as shallow.
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Football, shallow. Contemporary ballet, not shallow.
It's just the way the world.
Absolutely true! It's very much a social/conformist thing really.
Gargaj: I do see where you're coming from and as an artist I love it when I can work on something that requires a lot of thought and involves a lot of meaning. But it is very tricky to make it in a way that's not too abstract that people don't get it at all or not too obvious that it's patronising.
It's the first time i've seen Omega and I really liked it. I got a great sense of atmosphere and enjoyment from it, but I'm afraid I couldn't grasp what message you were trying to convey.
I feel your frustration though. When I painted http://devotion-graphics.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d20fyre I put so much thought into it. Absolutely everything was painted in a specific way to serve a purpose and (in my mind) had lots of different levels. I wanted people to ask why the male is standing the way he is rather than reaching out to her, why heaven looks dark and bleak rather than bright and happy and I wanted it to raise questions about the cruel nature of God and flaws in heaven and hell. I also followed art theory, from rule of 3rds and form language....but most people couldn't see anything beyond a sickly sweet love scene and even questioned my choices and suggested I change certain things to make it better.
It's frustrating and insulting (much like I may have insulted Unc's choice of music) but obviously everyone sees things their own way and I don't think anybody understands the full intentions of the artist.
It's the first time i've seen Omega and I really liked it. I got a great sense of atmosphere and enjoyment from it, but I'm afraid I couldn't grasp what message you were trying to convey.
I feel your frustration though. When I painted http://devotion-graphics.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d20fyre I put so much thought into it. Absolutely everything was painted in a specific way to serve a purpose and (in my mind) had lots of different levels. I wanted people to ask why the male is standing the way he is rather than reaching out to her, why heaven looks dark and bleak rather than bright and happy and I wanted it to raise questions about the cruel nature of God and flaws in heaven and hell. I also followed art theory, from rule of 3rds and form language....but most people couldn't see anything beyond a sickly sweet love scene and even questioned my choices and suggested I change certain things to make it better.
It's frustrating and insulting (much like I may have insulted Unc's choice of music) but obviously everyone sees things their own way and I don't think anybody understands the full intentions of the artist.