what is that ?
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Oh wait, is it just something I deserve for having named someone?
I wonder. Anyway, yes kusma, I'm a hypocrite probably. But again, this is not a thread saying "hey guys, please, tell me what you think about this production" right? That's what is implied into my hypocrite manifesto.
I wonder. Anyway, yes kusma, I'm a hypocrite probably. But again, this is not a thread saying "hey guys, please, tell me what you think about this production" right? That's what is implied into my hypocrite manifesto.
nice demo shame about the music... THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaV-I5C90zk ) is more appropriate. In much faster tempo, obviously.
knl: No, but it's not a "hey guys, please, tell me how I should behave"-thread either ;)
Navis: waaaaa, this is so complex!!!!
Kusma: OK, you know, at some point, you're right and you're a little pain in my ass... but you have to admit that, at some point, some people should definitely shut up and behave or at least spend a year into trying to _learn_. But yeah, I guess you could say "yes kaneel, like you could spend a year learning as well" :)
Kusma: OK, you know, at some point, you're right and you're a little pain in my ass... but you have to admit that, at some point, some people should definitely shut up and behave or at least spend a year into trying to _learn_. But yeah, I guess you could say "yes kaneel, like you could spend a year learning as well" :)
( I was joking :-)
(I don't think you needed to say it)
Navis - arrrrggggh!!! Noooo, whiny 80s rockmusic in demos are so many kinds of fail. Particularly if the visuals are high-tech alien, and the music is redneck-axel-rose-on-a-moped :( Giant mismatch imo.
...yes... yes he did... or I just needed to get the frustration out :D
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I think it is pretty insulting to compare this to commercialised mass produced crap.
This is the heart of the matter. It's this snobbery some people have about anything being mainstream. I used to be exactly the same myself, but not everything mainstream is bad. Tron Legacy doesn't have the best story, but in terms of concept, visuals and atmosphere, and the music, it's a masterpieces. I felt more from watching Tron Legacy, The Dark Knight and Inception than I've felt from any scene production in the last decade.
Noise tracks like the one here have their place. I'm a big fan of David Lynch and he uses ambient noise to great effect, but only when he needs to build tension. If it ran through the whole film, it would just get annoying and repetetive, which is how I perceived the track to this demo. But again, I consider it more a sound effect than a soundtrack.
Just showed a bunch of Quite stuff to some non-scene friends and they fucking loved it! the word 'tron' fell, but they dug the soundtrack just the same!
Wade: out of curiousity, what do you think of Koyaanisqatsi or Baraka?
Hey Wade, i think i understand what you mean - but really, from what you're saying i think you just could try to listen to that track thru the good acoustic system or with a right mood, or (probably) with some understanding of context.
It's really not a noise track - it's made with complicated (and REALLY unusual for the scene) additive type of sounds i personally always loved and recognized Lassi's music for. And it was really a breathe of fresh air comparing to all 4klang-made stuff we could see these years.
(Don't get me wrong, 4klang is nice, just wanted to say that stepping off the usual substractive-trend can pay back really well, as we could see in this particular case)
It's really not a noise track - it's made with complicated (and REALLY unusual for the scene) additive type of sounds i personally always loved and recognized Lassi's music for. And it was really a breathe of fresh air comparing to all 4klang-made stuff we could see these years.
(Don't get me wrong, 4klang is nice, just wanted to say that stepping off the usual substractive-trend can pay back really well, as we could see in this particular case)
and yes, my engrish is turning out really outstanding at 2 am
Gargaj: I'd not heard of them so I had to look them up on youtube. Koyaanisqatsi is not something I'd listen to for enjoyment, but it's very powerful. It creates an atmosphere, but it also has melody and variation.
I couldn't find Baraka.
However, i did find this. It has no atmopshee and wouldn't work as an incidental track, but purely from a taste point of view I'm loving it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAKqVvGj3w
I couldn't find Baraka.
However, i did find this. It has no atmopshee and wouldn't work as an incidental track, but purely from a taste point of view I'm loving it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHAKqVvGj3w
Ton: Maybe I did exaggerate its simplicity. I'm sure if it had been used in moderation to build tension of certain parts I'd have appreciated it, but it just sounded too bland for me and got quite annoying after a while.
Ok, so out of any taste thing, and back to cdak, didn't you even notice that the soundtrack was clearly not made with 4klang? Didn't you notice that it was sounding totally different, powerful and fresh compared to these good damn bloody boring 4k boomboom track with weweeeee leads?
Did you read that it was actually hard coded?
I just hate to say it like that because actually, it does not matter, I could listen to the track in a mp3 player while walking down the streets... because yes, you need a bit of skills and a lot of taste to come up with a "more than average" ambient soundtrack but that's the kind of thing that need a certain level of knowledge, like (Iknowimmagonnatroll) jazz music. Or like some techno masters who could argue during hours about the ways to make a perfect basedrum, there is a perfect drone, a perfect sustain. And Chimera is a great experience too (ISAIDIT)
Did you read that it was actually hard coded?
I just hate to say it like that because actually, it does not matter, I could listen to the track in a mp3 player while walking down the streets... because yes, you need a bit of skills and a lot of taste to come up with a "more than average" ambient soundtrack but that's the kind of thing that need a certain level of knowledge, like (Iknowimmagonnatroll) jazz music. Or like some techno masters who could argue during hours about the ways to make a perfect basedrum, there is a perfect drone, a perfect sustain. And Chimera is a great experience too (ISAIDIT)
@navis: you make me laugh a lot :D
(btw, I'm a big fan of Ingwie Malmsteen since 20 years)
(btw, I'm a big fan of Ingwie Malmsteen since 20 years)
knl: Creating ambience isn't really that hard, I think. Hardcoding it is quite a different matter, but to say that creating an ambient soundtrack requires more skills or higher level of knowledge than other genres seems somewhat exagerated. Jazzmusic requires knowledge of scales and a tiny bit of music theory and that's about it. A harmony or disharmony may sound good to someone who understands the theory simply because the admire the technique or the intriguing nerve, whereas disharmonies will sound pretty aweful to someone who doesn't share the same knowledge of the theory applied.
That aside, I do share your admiration of the sound in the intro, and I was curious to know how it was made the instant I heard it. Still, it's a fair case to dislike it and express it, I think.
That aside, I do share your admiration of the sound in the intro, and I was curious to know how it was made the instant I heard it. Still, it's a fair case to dislike it and express it, I think.
I bet wade listens to jazz musicians.
Punqtured, read carefully what I just said, I never said it required more skills than other genres.
No genre requires more skills than others, everything is a question of training and certainly, you need a lot of rehearsal sessions, solid knowledge and a bit of craziness in order to be more original than others.
About music and that should be the last line I'll drop about it, I often read here people saying this and that isn't that hard, that this music isn't that great but do they have any clue? Most often, you read that from people who are not even musician... because it's easier to think we are all amazing music reviewers since we can have a portable mp3 player fulfilled with gigs of music. You can indeed say you dislike but if you look carefully _page 1_, you'll notice that I didn't jump on Wade at first and then he dropped a "I don't get the problem with suggesting that a demo runs to a piece of music instead of some noise and discordant beats. "
And that's when I felt it was uncalled for.
No genre requires more skills than others, everything is a question of training and certainly, you need a lot of rehearsal sessions, solid knowledge and a bit of craziness in order to be more original than others.
About music and that should be the last line I'll drop about it, I often read here people saying this and that isn't that hard, that this music isn't that great but do they have any clue? Most often, you read that from people who are not even musician... because it's easier to think we are all amazing music reviewers since we can have a portable mp3 player fulfilled with gigs of music. You can indeed say you dislike but if you look carefully _page 1_, you'll notice that I didn't jump on Wade at first and then he dropped a "I don't get the problem with suggesting that a demo runs to a piece of music instead of some noise and discordant beats. "
And that's when I felt it was uncalled for.
Nang + riveurs enjienrd are now in the pouet database \o/
Thanks unc!
Thanks unc!
are debating whether random clicking a tracker + effects params is an act of creation or what? :D
All music is terrible, stop listening to music!
and now profound words: I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
Even if it means fighting a bear?