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Well said. I'd like to add that it also has to do with stubbornness. When things go badly with your attitude, you gain negative attention and this happens for so many years then it's too hard to come back in this place and yet at the same time you don't want to abandon this place because you will feel defeated. And you keep pushing in a wall only making things worse.

A mesage to Adok: I was in a similar situation like you. At one time my Pouet involvement had gone sooo far (I regret it now but I had to pass through this stage to realize some things much later) that people didn't want to hear me anymore and even nowadays that I have managed to keep a distance from Pouet, being there with the scene but trying to avoid involvement in opening stupid threads and telling me about my live, keeping a lower profile as much as possible, there are still people that remember me and don't want to hear I even now receive sometimes annoying copy-paste rolls of my blog texts whenever I decide to open my mouth. But it's better now and I try to ignore the noise, stay low and just concentrate on what I love to do.

All I wanted to say is that if Pouet people are good at remembering, things are much worse for you. I was just a sad bastard and fortunatelly I backed up before things would become worse and everyone would hate me. In your case, I don't even know if you have any single person here at Pouet that likes you, though you were my favorite eccentric character and I used to play devil's advocate for a long with you (there is no irony included here or anywhere else in this text). I can't do this anymore even if I agree partially to some of the things you said in that big paragraph quoted above the bazinga.

Let it go, try to back up for a while, low the ego, stay away or join another community. Things are too bad for you if you stay here. I know how hard it is and I know how hard it was for me and I barely managed to save myself from killing my hobby and having most people hating me here. I don't want to sound negative but things are worse for you.

And maybe you might relax and perhaps with a different understanding of things (this just happens, you suddenly realize things different and it's not a truth someone tells you but a personal experience that hopefully happens one day) you may change (but not be afraid, personally does not change, only evolves) in a way that perhaps you can come back after a long period and take part in this community in a different way and people might or might not remember (but you will still get crap for a while (it's exactly like namevoting :P), so ignore if you really feel you have changed and you are more right now) and things might be different. There might be still hope for you.

I sincerely sympathize with you because you are in a much worse state than what I was with Pouet and the scene. That's why I speak on my own. But you are free to follow what you think is best. I hate saying to others what they should do when I am not in their shoes.

Now, I have to finish this big text and hope for no blogtext flooding or insults even though I can manage ignoring them :)

err...what? :o)
I was talking about that bald patch on my head...no hair there anymore...

The reason? Dunno, maybe half "stroking too much" (whatever that means ;) ) half an DNA issue that makes all males in my family bald when above 30. :)

@psonice

I don't think people hate Adok. I certainly don't. How could I, I haven't met the guy in real life - we have exchanged a few emails about demoscene "work" and that was fine. I appreciate his work even though we may disagree on points.

People just find some (or most) of his ideas obnoxious; mainly his elitism about this mensa thing, his political views, some other concepts from the past such as eugenics. So they attack these ideas - attacking and defending ideas is the pastime of society.

Yeah, I mean your head.. it only feels bald if you stroke it. It'll still look bald though :( (Not bald here, but receding with some grey).

Anyway, baldness is a sign of virility.. which basically means somebody else strokes it for you :D

hehe....hehehe

fact ;oD

i'll try to be as clear about this as possible.

now, people tend to have more or less distinct groups of friends or acquaintances.

for instance, i know a shitload of people from the demoscene, but only a handful of those acquaintances have developed to what i'd consider close friendship - that is, friends with whom conversations are usually about something else than the common denominator (the demoscene).
then there's the people i know from work, and the same kind of classification applies to them.
then there's the people i know from my previous jobs, and the people i know from where i used to study, and the people i know from other cities i've lived in, and the people i know from different irc channels, and so on, and so on.
you usually become closer friends with people who share (some of) the same interests as you.

i discuss politics with the kind of friends who are interested in politics, and whose opinions on politics aren't retarded. this is usually something that you discover along the way when you're getting to know someone.
i don't discuss politics with a) people who aren't necessarily interested in politics, and b) people whose opinions might be retarded, because i don't know their opinions, but their overall personality would suggest it.
politics (for instance) is such a sensitive subject that in both cases it would be a waste of time.
whether or not a person's opinions are retarded is not just about supporting the wrong party or the wrong ideals; it's also that if a person is passionate enough about something, they often begin resembling a preacher in that they feel a need to impose their view of things on others even if it's the last thing they do. politics and religion do that to people. and that's retarded.

i strongly believe it's up to your social skills to be able to choose the right people, the right place and the right time to discuss a given subject.

That could be sum up real short.

I don't know what this thread is really about, and why it seemed to change focus between page 1 and page 2 suddenly, but I feel that I need to post in it just to keep up with all the cool kids... :)

YOU ARE GOD DAMN FOLLOWER

that must have been boring night.
Ya know? stop at once.
At age of 30-35 one should NOT have "abilities" but ACHIEVEMENTS.
Saino to soukudo to Tsujo-sa --
muda ni.
Seisho no eizoku seidesu
(talent speed and strength are nothing -- first comes persistence.)
you waste time for talking, and BITS is still releasing demos.

And yes -- I'll go make demo about it, when only I'll recover the 'RSI tool' disk (whch may take 3-5 years).

i don't care, i'm 36

Back on topic! If the scener population shaping the demoscene have mostly become old farts doesnt it mean the demoscene is getting old to? Thus the demoscene has an exparation date ? Lets face it the best releases the last (few) years come from the same coders. Just look at the scene.org awards nominees and winners from the last couple of years. If they someday get inactive or sleep (legends never die they sleep:) the demoscene lost a big part of it's existence..
We should embrace the old farts who have less time than when the demoscene was in it's teen years and still manage to release productions!

Old Fards - When Dreams Come True!

optimus - thumbs up for you realizing that pouet != life.

The thing about HD screens is that even Optimus' posts look a lot shorter.

19!

one exception though..Rob / aardbei every year stay's 19 when he is jarig.. ;-)

depends on which version of RIJ you watch.

time for a new one than so rob's actual age is shown..preferably on cpc ;-)

"you must be gifted with mensa powers to make up for your obvious social shortcomings!!!"

There's a fly in my soup.

Since I am 43, Oswald, AEG, Daf, Drax, Jeroen Tel, Rob Hubbard, must be over a 100!

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