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insectecutor: yeah, I mostly agree with that.

Whether everyone understands music? I think most people do, but only on a limited level. Thing with music is it's so universal - pretty much everyone has a music collection, listens regularly to tunes etc. You hear music in nearly all films + tv shows, in lifts, shops etc. You're exposed to it all the time, and a big % of people learn an instrument at some time too. So it's not surprising everyone thinks they understand it :D

I don't think many would say they understand in the same way a serious musician does though, or a composer. I mean I've played an instrument for many years, studied some music theory, and written some tunes, but I'd only consider my knowledge of it 'moderate'.

Code though.. well, I guess most people use a computer most days now. Not many code. And people don't use an application to appreciate the code (in music, they kind of do). Games are maybe the exception, but still aren't that comparable to what we do.

wow...what a bullshit... code is running the show...

You know what ? in a movie remove the music, you'll understand how music is important in a movie, in a game, in a demo...

You know what is a good demo is ?

It's a mix of code, gfx, and music that fits together. that's all !
That's the recipe. That's why the Elevated, Candytron, Rapture etc are so good.

huh? of course a demo is way more than code. Depending on the demo, any of gfx, music or code can be the star, or at best they all come together. We both know it, we both respect good producers whether they're doing music, code or art, there is no disagreement. Stop accusing me of shit please :D

Insectecutor said a lot of people think they understand the music, but not many claim to understand the code side, I was discussing that. My point was that people get tons of exposure to music compared to code, so they'll naturally have more ability to appreciate it. I also said there's a big difference between being a general listener and a serious producer of tunes. Nothing more.

... but we all live in the Matrix !

maybe it's me, but does gibs really like to spit in people's faces? i really don't like his general tone. i mean, psonice made a point there and he gave some explanation about why he thought it was valid. no harm done, just discuss please.

Yes hcdlt, you are right.

He's French :D

sorry, i sometimes forget that my prejudices against the french are very useful when trying to not be offended by them ;-)
well, most of the time i try to take people serious, but i can see how that's my fault here on pouet...

How could you be offended by people that ignore you exist ?

I mean... I have never heard about you before 30 minutes !

psonice: I don't know if this is bullshit but it occurs to me that music, and graphics and even 3d models are composed of units and actions which have some direct baring on the result. I can hear a note that I add. I can see a line that I draw. Code and result are much less connected. Except in some rare cases, the space the "artist" is working in is far abstracted from the space in which the final result is perceived.

This probably contributes to or perhaps even explains what you are trying to say.

I'll add that all three are a complete mystery to me as evidenced by my prods :-)

I almost forgot how this thread started.

@gibs: people are offended all the time by that. just take the modern america haters for example.
but i'm not offended by your ignorance towards me, you missed my point. to me, you just seem to be arrogant enough to not like your attitude, that's all. maybe it's because my mother always tried to get me off my arrogance all the time, dunno.

mrp: he just doesn't want to give you his music anymore, as stated on page 4.

@hcdlt I have been bashed the 2 first pages, I haven't done a story about that and: I didn't missed anything ! as I said I have never heard about you. It's your right to not like me but I have nothing against you.

I have learned that in the demo scene they are lot of good musicians, more than coders and maybe more than graphist. I haven't said that I don't want to give my music as no one was interested in.
I have just said that I will put it in the music compo instead and there is no reason to be rude.

Again IMO a good demo is a demo where code, gfx, music are in harmony. This is my point of view. I don't force anybody to share that. If you think that the code is more important: that's ok! If you think that music is more easy to do: that's ok.

End of the chapter.

Btw I love all the countries on earth.

So, after seven pages of people patiently explaining how to get the best reception for his music, and actually getting some interest, he still seems to think that we're saying "fuck off, we have enough musicians already".

Classy.

(that wasn't in reply to gibs's latest response, btw)

gibs: any 'bashing' at the start was just the regular pouet banter, plus plenty of suggestions along the lines of "we'd like to hear some of your stuff so we have some idea if you're good or not, and what style you do". Don't take it personally, this site is just like that :)

If there's no interest in your tune, I suspect it's because it's too close to the party. There might still be some group with no music at the last minute, that happens quite often. If you're going to the party, ask around. Maybe somebody will listen to it and decide to do some party coding.

and as mrp and me already pointed out more than once: there was some interest, but maybe it was hidden between all the suggestion posts. which is a shame btw, because that's what this thread was all about, at least initially.

i too love all the countries in the world and have nothing against a person just because he comes from a particular region (my remarks towards the french were completely ironic and not to be taken serious, i do love france for that matter).
and i sure as hell tried to be anything but rude. i just pointed out something, and by the way you reacted and acted before that i told you i didn't like your attitude, that is all. what you do with this is completely up to you, i couldn't care less.

he did absolutely nothing to promote his music positively, and everything to represent himself negatively, i'm starting to believe this track doesen't even exist, stop being so aloof and jump in the deep end.

Seems like he was offering to compose, not just throw out an existing track, given his comments about code, gfx and zik being in harmony.

I went for a job interview, i told him i was the man he wanted but he asked to see a C.V. that I didn't have, I didn't get the job, what a cunt.

I did secretly have a C.V though, but I didn't want him to read it.

He did provide examples of his work on p4, but it took some persuading after everyone said his offer was pointless because musicians come 10 a penny. Maybe he just isn't used to pouet, seems like he was looking to find someone who was desperate for a musician and take it from there in private, not to prove to people who don't need zik anyway that he's actually decent.

That is kind of a dumb thing to do on pouet though.

Also a link to his work has always been in his profile, so anyone who cared could've just looked there.

well ok then :) i wish him luck anyway, everybody needs a break sometime, but it helps if you have the right approach i guess :)