recent gags on my part
category: general [glöplog]
nah, adok wouldnt gamble his mensa ;)
but maybe i am drunk like the hell i should remember from last drunkyards !
but maybe i am drunk like the hell i should remember from last drunkyards !
how many times does an experiment need to be repeated before it can no longer be considered an experiment? this silly form of database pollution is totally superfluous, just look at the near-unanimous upthumbing amiga prods which were recorded from UAE running at max speed get from the assembled wannabe oldskool/cracktro/uninformed pc lamer crowd... really, there was no good reason whatsoever to reiterate the obvious through the lame steps of the OP.
what rowley said.
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just look at the near-unanimous upthumbing amiga prods which were recorded from UAE running at max speed get from the assembled wannabe oldskool/cracktro/uninformed pc lamer crowd
Being angry at people for not having the proper credentials to like stuff is a fucking elitist attitude. There's no entrance exam for pouet.
Videos of an emulated demo are misleading, but you have the power to remove links to them. Maybe do that.
This event marks the death of the PC scene. Remember to turn off the lights when you leave the building.
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Being angry at people for not having the proper credentials to like stuff is a fucking elitist attitude.
Agreed. The problem I have is with people voting on demos without viewing them (youtube videos are not demos). People can like whatever they want, but if a person is voting, they should be knowledgeable on the thing that they're voting on (this same problem occurs often in politics).
If people are voting on prods without even knowing if they run (or maybe even doing a little disassembling), then the ranking system on pouet will have no value :( This is bad for everyone!
So if you don't own a particular platform you're not allowed to vote? Seems just as elitist to me.
You can tell from a youtube video (assuming the quality is reasonable) what the output of the demo is like, framerate is important but you can get a feel for that from the comments.
I mean, REALLY few people own a real amiga with 060 card. And I think not many people expect to see a high end 3d demo on amiga with really smooth framerate. So you either never watch and comment on these demos, or you watch them, see the comments on speed/compatibility from the sceners who have real hardware, and come to a decision.
The only problem there is the people who thumb up based on the video alone, like the people who thumbed up those fake 256bs this thread is about. You're always going to get people doing this unfortunately, there's no way I can see to stop them voting. Perhaps embarrassing them with a joke like this now and then is the best way :)
You can tell from a youtube video (assuming the quality is reasonable) what the output of the demo is like, framerate is important but you can get a feel for that from the comments.
I mean, REALLY few people own a real amiga with 060 card. And I think not many people expect to see a high end 3d demo on amiga with really smooth framerate. So you either never watch and comment on these demos, or you watch them, see the comments on speed/compatibility from the sceners who have real hardware, and come to a decision.
The only problem there is the people who thumb up based on the video alone, like the people who thumbed up those fake 256bs this thread is about. You're always going to get people doing this unfortunately, there's no way I can see to stop them voting. Perhaps embarrassing them with a joke like this now and then is the best way :)
nice work :D
Can I take credit for encouraging you to "take off the mask" then? :)
Incidentally: Where are the prods? Have they been deleted? That is unfortunate, I'd like to see them stick around for hysterical (hehe) purposes.
Incidentally: Where are the prods? Have they been deleted? That is unfortunate, I'd like to see them stick around for hysterical (hehe) purposes.
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That's for sure.There's no entrance exam for pouet.
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So if you don't own a particular platform you're not allowed to vote? Seems just as elitist to me.
psonice: I think you have a valid point here. I agree that the heart of the issue is (like you say) thumbing up based on the video alone.
IMHO, the only thing that makes a demo more then "pretty pictures" is the code. Maya and Blender are for pretty pictures (and can produce more impressive animations then you'll see in a demo). If a demo is not judged based on the quality of its code, then the demoscene is just a collection of substandard 3d animations.
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Can I take credit for encouraging you to "take off the mask" then? :)
Heh, sure :)
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The only problem there is the people who thumb up based on the video alone, like the people who thumbed up those fake 256bs this thread is about. You're always going to get people doing this unfortunately, there's no way I can see to stop them voting. Perhaps embarrassing them with a joke like this now and then is the best way :)
I don't get this "video alone" stuff. What else can they do if they don't have real h/w or an emulator? The video should be authentic. Why wouldn't an artist or musician with no coding experience believe that the video is accurate? They're used to seeing amazing shit.
While I disagree with Rowley's attitude I take his point: this stunt achieved nothing other than a big fuck you to some followers of the scene. Way to outreach!
orbitaldecay: point taken, but the video is expected to be a recording of a demo running in real time. Real time doesn't mean live, if the video lasts the same length of time as the production took to render then that is a video of something running realtime.
The executable version is pretty much just proof that the video isn't bullshit. The guys who accepted the video have learned to have faith that they weren't being scammed. All you did was betray some dudes.
The executable version is pretty much just proof that the video isn't bullshit. The guys who accepted the video have learned to have faith that they weren't being scammed. All you did was betray some dudes.
Insectecutor: It's not my intention to justify my actions. I still stand by the apology which I presented in the op. I do, however, feel that the point I was feebly attempting to make was a valid one.
If it's reasonable to judge a prod based on nothing but a video capture (and the knowledge that it's a legitimate prod), then I don't see why we aren't just making "prods" in Blender.
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The executable version is pretty much just proof that the video isn't bullshit.
If it's reasonable to judge a prod based on nothing but a video capture (and the knowledge that it's a legitimate prod), then I don't see why we aren't just making "prods" in Blender.
dammit! i got caught. shit. the only reason i thumbed up one of the prods was because it looked interesting, taking prod's size into account. i admit i was doing that at job where 256bs actually never work, so there was no point in even attempting to do so but. damn. you got me :)
/flex
orbitaldecay: people are making prods in blender. There are also wild animation prods. Most people are smart enough to recognise the context in which a prod is presented, if you present a realtime demo your video will be evaluated in that context. It's not an all-or-nothing situation.
A problem would only arise if someone presented a video of a realtime prod and didn't also offer the exe. If they present an exe that is bullshit it's dealt with pretty quickly as you discovered. Exactly what is wrong with this situation?
A problem would only arise if someone presented a video of a realtime prod and didn't also offer the exe. If they present an exe that is bullshit it's dealt with pretty quickly as you discovered. Exactly what is wrong with this situation?
Insectecutor: there's no justification for voting purely based on the video, except rare cases like homebrew hardware. Case in point, these fake 256bs we're discussing: they looked cool, but I looked through the comments to see if somebody had tried on real hardware, and what they have to say. Nobody had tried it, so I thought "come back later". It's not hard.
Beyond that, how many people actually vote on 256Bs based on the screenshot alone? ;)
Beyond that, how many people actually vote on 256Bs based on the screenshot alone? ;)
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The question you should ask yourself is: is it really a problem? You're always going to have people watching the captures instead of the native executables, for a variety of reasons. The only thing this little stunt proved, we already knew perfectly well.The only problem there is the people who thumb up based on the video alone, like the people who thumbed up those fake 256bs this thread is about. You're always going to get people doing this unfortunately, there's no way I can see to stop them voting.
I mean: why would you want them not to vote? Is there a huge influx of votes being cast on Pouet by people who haven't seen the actual prod (video or native) that is skewing the validity of the overall thumbs? No.
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Being angry at people for not having the proper credentials to like stuff is a fucking elitist attitude. There's no entrance exam for pouet.
Quoting only partially and out of context is misleading, and you have the power to misinterpret anything I write.
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Videos of an emulated demo are misleading, but you have the power to remove links to them. Maybe do that.
Being angry at people with proper credentials just because they lack the time and motivation to remove stuff you don't like for some obscure reason is a fucking retarded attitude.
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Wow, what utter rubbish :)If people are voting on prods without even knowing if they run (or maybe even doing a little disassembling), then the ranking system on pouet will have no value :( This is bad for everyone!
Ok, maybe I'm drunk... wait. I definitely am. But anyway: Do I get this right - releasing fake (as in not working) prods is ok but voting on a video capture because you think that people in a creative scene are generally honest to each other is not?
Yeah, uh, fuck you. Thoroughly.
Yeah, uh, fuck you. Thoroughly.
How about: prods can only be uploaded if an admin has personally seen them run on the actual hardware they are released for and can verify that the video is a realistic version of the demo. That way us lamers who don't own every system under the sun can view the footage and know without a doubt that we aren't being conned and can vote accordingly. what do you guys think ?
How about we write this off as simply another set of fun joke prods and walk away from it a little bit wiser.
