Scene.org Awards 2011
category: parties [glöplog]
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The rumor that a bunch of well-known demo party organizers are working on setting up a replacement event for Breakpoint in Germany sure has reached scene.org ears.
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And the communication that is going on here from TG and scene.org is smoke and mirrors, and it's silly.
xerxes: Actually I'm not involved with TG at all. Never was, probably never will be.
What I am/was involved with, however, is the Scene.org Awards. Although not so much the last two years..
What I am/was involved with, however, is the Scene.org Awards. Although not so much the last two years..
Imho the strenght of the awards the last 8 years was that almost every nominated scener was present at the ceremony. From that perspective its a bad move going to TG where this most probably won't be the case.
I somewhere thought btw, they would move to Assembly, atleast that would be an option as told in my article I did on the scene.org awards. But I am personally hoping they will re-invent themselfs with this "fresh new start" at TG. And who knows what will be the outcome. Change doesn't come unnoticed. I wish them all the luck.
I somewhere thought btw, they would move to Assembly, atleast that would be an option as told in my article I did on the scene.org awards. But I am personally hoping they will re-invent themselfs with this "fresh new start" at TG. And who knows what will be the outcome. Change doesn't come unnoticed. I wish them all the luck.
true, good points, but as far as Asm goes, it kind of has all the same things going against it that TG (in the eyes of some) has - LAN gamers, remote location, most award winners / nominees likely wouldn't be present. But hey, even at the Oscars, people aren't all present! Lots of people just get put onto a big screen video feed to accept their awards :)
xerxes: Just as Nina, I'm not involved with TG either. Haven't been that since 2005 which was my final year as organizer there. That said, as long as you still love Solskogen, I'm happy :)
Plaf: good point about the movie oscars. big screen video is perhaps a solution if almost nobody is present at TG to collect there price and give a (small) speech ;-) Here is my article on the scene.org awards btw.:
http://tinyurl.com/29oatxc
http://tinyurl.com/29oatxc
atleast on the Oscars cermony you are allowed to drink beer, hell, they are even being served champagne :)
i.. *shudder*.. agree with magic.
the key point about the awards was a) most people nominated being there, and b) a massive live audience. it gave the whole thing gravitas, it made winning one a big deal.
assembly would probably have worked because a) they would have run it like a proper compo and made all 4000 people watch, b) a lot of the recent years winners do show up there too so it would lose less on that front, and c) they would have a champagne nice reception in the vip sauna area afterwards. :)
ive never been to the gathering so i cant say how it'll work out there, but i can say what did work about the last 8 years. i hope that if the winners arent showing up they do get them to video a speech beforehand (as navis did this year).
the key point about the awards was a) most people nominated being there, and b) a massive live audience. it gave the whole thing gravitas, it made winning one a big deal.
assembly would probably have worked because a) they would have run it like a proper compo and made all 4000 people watch, b) a lot of the recent years winners do show up there too so it would lose less on that front, and c) they would have a champagne nice reception in the vip sauna area afterwards. :)
ive never been to the gathering so i cant say how it'll work out there, but i can say what did work about the last 8 years. i hope that if the winners arent showing up they do get them to video a speech beforehand (as navis did this year).
magic: I think people would have just half an ounce of respect for you if you didn't plug fucking Hugi all. the. time.
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and c) they would have a champagne nice reception in the vip sauna area afterwards. :)
WITH YOUR DONGLES OUT!!
i bet he wrote an article about respect once...
smash: "in order to win an award, you'll need a representative at the party-place."
ok not really
ok not really
thats the point. with having the awards at your party, it is very likely that some of the people will show up to pick the prices _in person_. as read earlier, there will be travel aid and such, plus there will be real price money (if i got earlier posts right). this, on the other hand, will produce more high quality releases at TG.
which is not bad at all, it will boost TG scene-wise and is a logical and clever step of the TG organizing, and is proofing again the strength of the scene within TGorg. TG wants to be a more scene oriented party. Or at least a strong combination of scene and game parties, forming a huge computer oriented event.
The only thing that bothers me is simply the way how it is done, how money is playing a vital role here, and how another young and fresh party is somehow blocked. This might be offending, but it feels so meh :(
do we really need the money from gamers to support and fund a scene party?
is it just me or do we need to ask ourselves wether we can have one big and scene only meeting or not?
are scene events as a minor part of a huge gamer party really attracting new people?
i am probably going to far... so consider this just as (fundamental) random thoughts. thx :)
which is not bad at all, it will boost TG scene-wise and is a logical and clever step of the TG organizing, and is proofing again the strength of the scene within TGorg. TG wants to be a more scene oriented party. Or at least a strong combination of scene and game parties, forming a huge computer oriented event.
The only thing that bothers me is simply the way how it is done, how money is playing a vital role here, and how another young and fresh party is somehow blocked. This might be offending, but it feels so meh :(
do we really need the money from gamers to support and fund a scene party?
is it just me or do we need to ask ourselves wether we can have one big and scene only meeting or not?
are scene events as a minor part of a huge gamer party really attracting new people?
i am probably going to far... so consider this just as (fundamental) random thoughts. thx :)
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is it just me or do we need to ask ourselves wether we can have one big and scene only meeting or not?
are scene events as a minor part of a huge gamer party really attracting new people?
See, this is exactly the fundamental problem here.
ossom! :)
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are scene events as a minor part of a huge gamer party really attracting new people?
considering the amount of "newbie" demos i had to take care of at norwegian parties: oh yes.
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money is not playing a vital role - TG would probably be sponsoring even if the awards would be somewhere else. and as for the "young and fresh" party, where is it? it's a rumour, nothing else. you dont ask people to thumb up your demo you may release at some point preemptively either.
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how money is playing a vital role here, and how another young and fresh party is somehow blocked
money is not playing a vital role - TG would probably be sponsoring even if the awards would be somewhere else. and as for the "young and fresh" party, where is it? it's a rumour, nothing else. you dont ask people to thumb up your demo you may release at some point preemptively either.
"money is not playing a vital role - TG would probably be sponsoring even if the awards would be somewhere else" - you seriously think so?!
TG sponsors, so it takes place at TG.
and i'd be surprised if there'd be more than 5% of the nominiees showing up, so be prepared for video-feed acceptance speeches. i hope there'll be a live feed from the ceremony at the "replacement party", so we can watch something while enjoying our cheap&legal beer + currywurst.
TG sponsors, so it takes place at TG.
and i'd be surprised if there'd be more than 5% of the nominiees showing up, so be prepared for video-feed acceptance speeches. i hope there'll be a live feed from the ceremony at the "replacement party", so we can watch something while enjoying our cheap&legal beer + currywurst.
teo, TG also sponsored last year :)
so was asm. :) we will see, i just hope that the awards will still be held every year.
i really don't see the problem. TG offered a lot of help, that's great!
calling it a sellout is bullshit - everybody is doing this stuff for fun.
calling it a sellout is bullshit - everybody is doing this stuff for fun.
my 2 cents about tg's newfound role as a major demoparty...
and the criticism against alcohol usually comes from certain sceners stuck in this "if you drink, you're instantly drunk, and drunk people can't behave, and there are no exceptions, and in general drinking is bad, because it's something i'm not familiar with" line of thought. if that's not adolescent, i don't know what is.
going to a demoparty means going there to have a great time with friends. i'm sure we can all agree on that. for many people, having fun includes the feeling of not being treated like teenagers. breakpoint excelled in the sense that the overall atmosphere was very laid back despite having loads of visitors around. i'm not sure how they did it and why every big party isn't doing it, but i'd say they got something right. the most concrete example of this is, unsurprisingly, alcohol. following the example set by assembly, not being able to drink at a major demoscene event (which i guess tg intends to be now that they're hosting the awards) basically means one of the following:
- setting up a shadow party (which, considering the supposed weather in norway around easter, had better be somewhere indoors)
- getting into some kind of VIP area with alcohol
- finding ways to smuggle alcohol into the party
- hitting bars in the city
people (myself included) have expressed interest in actually travelling to tg, but it's just that going to two geek parties a year seems like too much hassle. "geek parties" referring to the fact that drinking during assembly is enough unnecessary trouble as it is.
that said, i've never been to tg, and i might be drawing too many conclusions based on assembly. maybe the organizers have (unofficial) ideas on how to please adults who've been pampered by breakpoint for so many years.
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Many sceners seems to be stuck in the adolescent "If I'm not drunk, I'm not having fun" line of thought.
and the criticism against alcohol usually comes from certain sceners stuck in this "if you drink, you're instantly drunk, and drunk people can't behave, and there are no exceptions, and in general drinking is bad, because it's something i'm not familiar with" line of thought. if that's not adolescent, i don't know what is.
going to a demoparty means going there to have a great time with friends. i'm sure we can all agree on that. for many people, having fun includes the feeling of not being treated like teenagers. breakpoint excelled in the sense that the overall atmosphere was very laid back despite having loads of visitors around. i'm not sure how they did it and why every big party isn't doing it, but i'd say they got something right. the most concrete example of this is, unsurprisingly, alcohol. following the example set by assembly, not being able to drink at a major demoscene event (which i guess tg intends to be now that they're hosting the awards) basically means one of the following:
- setting up a shadow party (which, considering the supposed weather in norway around easter, had better be somewhere indoors)
- getting into some kind of VIP area with alcohol
- finding ways to smuggle alcohol into the party
- hitting bars in the city
people (myself included) have expressed interest in actually travelling to tg, but it's just that going to two geek parties a year seems like too much hassle. "geek parties" referring to the fact that drinking during assembly is enough unnecessary trouble as it is.
that said, i've never been to tg, and i might be drawing too many conclusions based on assembly. maybe the organizers have (unofficial) ideas on how to please adults who've been pampered by breakpoint for so many years.
yes, it's funny how the whole "tg, not much sceners there now are there?" issue derailed in:
a) no booze allowed policy
b) norwegian booze is expensive
c) tg bought the awards
d) germans are affraid to leave their reich
e) gamerparties are shite
f) ...
this whole 8 page bollocks aint gonna change much, awards being probably held there and everything. personally i'd just find it a pity that an awardshow takes place at a party that has been a help for plenty of years, but without much of the actual winners being there.. it loses its impact that way and it will seem artificial and useless. especially if that alternate-breakpoint thing finally takes off and manages to draw away the 'i dont wanna be at a gamerparty/i need booze/ich bin ein zerman'-type of scener
a) no booze allowed policy
b) norwegian booze is expensive
c) tg bought the awards
d) germans are affraid to leave their reich
e) gamerparties are shite
f) ...
this whole 8 page bollocks aint gonna change much, awards being probably held there and everything. personally i'd just find it a pity that an awardshow takes place at a party that has been a help for plenty of years, but without much of the actual winners being there.. it loses its impact that way and it will seem artificial and useless. especially if that alternate-breakpoint thing finally takes off and manages to draw away the 'i dont wanna be at a gamerparty/i need booze/ich bin ein zerman'-type of scener