Future demo festivals: kill the "original release" rule
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i second Insectecutor
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the demoscene (as well as pretty much any community) was created for some purpose which the majority of people dont know/understand/support. and if for some reason you feel like this is no longer what you want or feel comfortable with ... you're free to choose a different community anytime. noone will be mad at you and you're even free to come back any time you want.
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the demoscene (as well as pretty much any community) was created for some purpose which the majority of people dont know/understand/support. and if for some reason you feel like this is no longer what you want or feel comfortable with ... you're free to choose a different community anytime. noone will be mad at you and you're even free to come back any time you want.
How about doing some fucking DEMOS instead of discussing if the compo rules. No matter how the rules are, they will never fit everybodys demand - but that STILL doesn´t mean that YOU are not able to create demos.
It´s not about how the rules limit you - it´s about how you are able to create awesomeness under the limitations of the rules.
It´s not about how the rules limit you - it´s about how you are able to create awesomeness under the limitations of the rules.
...if the compo rules are correct or not.
remember the one rule: PANTS OFF!
as long as it doesnt turn into a "same shit, different party"-gag, why not?
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the demoscene (as well as pretty much any community) was created for some purpose which the majority of people dont know/understand/support. and if for some reason you feel like this is no longer what you want or feel comfortable with ... you're free to choose a different community anytime. noone will be mad at you and you're even free to come back any time you want.
"fuck off if you want to change stuff"?
Is Leonard Ritter the new SilverSlimer?
just plain re-releasing isnt the most sensible thing in the world, lets keep things original or at least close to original (except for rob is jarig of course)
I couldn't agree more :).
Research also works with the "original release" rule.
a big part of the excitement of a party is knowing that there will be new/fresh releases. who cares what the movie industry does. blah blah.
you'd probably kill all enthusiasm for partying with such a change.
you'd probably kill all enthusiasm for partying with such a change.
Rules are chilling the demoscene. Discuss!
Chilling should rule the demoscene :o
Motioning to change the demoscene into something else won't accomplish anything by itself. The scene is not governed by some authority; change is accomplished not by decree but through gradual evolution.
If a person is no longer interested in the scene as it works, then he or she doesn't have to participate any more. There is no need to try to mechanically alter the scene to fit some new criteria. It does not have to live on no matter what, and it does not have to be a part of anybody's life.
If a person is no longer interested in the scene as it works, then he or she doesn't have to participate any more. There is no need to try to mechanically alter the scene to fit some new criteria. It does not have to live on no matter what, and it does not have to be a part of anybody's life.
First reply to original topic was spot on and complete.
I've been felled by this rule myself once, but I understand it and comply. In the demoscene, it's also necessary. I myself should have released it, but out of compo. But I'm not like the original poster, I like exposure but it's more important to get it released at a cool demoparty where the people you care about will notice and understand your work. If what you release is good, it will be seen by many anyway.
Demoscene and a career in similar types of work DO NOT MIX. Most of us spend a lot more time and sweat on things that an employee would never get the time/budget for in a million years in any company in the world :)
If someone hired me to code Amiga demos today, I would reject the offer because someone else would decide the quality level, time spent, and what I should focus on/what is important for progress.
I've been felled by this rule myself once, but I understand it and comply. In the demoscene, it's also necessary. I myself should have released it, but out of compo. But I'm not like the original poster, I like exposure but it's more important to get it released at a cool demoparty where the people you care about will notice and understand your work. If what you release is good, it will be seen by many anyway.
Demoscene and a career in similar types of work DO NOT MIX. Most of us spend a lot more time and sweat on things that an employee would never get the time/budget for in a million years in any company in the world :)
If someone hired me to code Amiga demos today, I would reject the offer because someone else would decide the quality level, time spent, and what I should focus on/what is important for progress.
What a cockmonger-thread...
wtf... just came back home from Breakpoint and the first thing I have to read is THIS? Dear Monsieurs Ritter and Mütze, yes it IS sad that you had to miss BP, sit at home and bitch at the stream all day. But really, projecting all those little things that go wrong in your life in a way that defies all logic and history of both demoscene and movie business and isn't ANYTHING more than a thinly veiled "but I want to be more famouser!!!11"? Come the fuck on.
People who can't tell frustration from "I've grown up".. sheesh. Saddest part is that it's two groupmates of mine this is about :/
People who can't tell frustration from "I've grown up".. sheesh. Saddest part is that it's two groupmates of mine this is about :/
Indeed, the craving for manly appendages is staggering, but the original post really takes the man-cake:
None. Even with extremities like the latter-day TP editions, the general audience (more than often a large chunk of gamers) was not rioting over shit releases. Probably because most of the people who could remotely care about the compos only had themselves to blame. Demoparties are, after all, what you make it.
Yeah, there's always a bunch of people that get all prissy over the general quality, just like people will perpetually whine that whatever FR does for fun isn't Debris 2. Waah-fucking-waah.
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how many parties left their audience in frustration, because they waited two days just to see three mediocre productions at the main event?
None. Even with extremities like the latter-day TP editions, the general audience (more than often a large chunk of gamers) was not rioting over shit releases. Probably because most of the people who could remotely care about the compos only had themselves to blame. Demoparties are, after all, what you make it.
Yeah, there's always a bunch of people that get all prissy over the general quality, just like people will perpetually whine that whatever FR does for fun isn't Debris 2. Waah-fucking-waah.
A demo festival is not a film festival.
And the topic of this thread is really pathetic. Don't like the demoscene? Just leave it. Period.
Let's all create a new scene called demo-scene, where people go to demo-parties (notice the "ies"), have no aliases/nicks, are so competitive that they know they're prod is the best one ever and won't bother working any other till that one looses...
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You know what scares [me] the most? Lack of reward, lack of public recognition.
that is one huge self-serving ego right there. you suck Ritter.
Only if you are among the best, you will get the public recognition that you deserve. Else you will be forgotten. Hahaha. This is the scene, we are not socialists about what we spend our time watching. If your demo kicks enough ass, then I will hear about it. Else I am happy that I don't.
Replying to the OP.
This would kill Demoscene creativity and any purpose to go to parties.
I hate film festivals exactly for the same reason, if you go to a few within two year timespan, you keep on watching the same shit over and over again.
For others, sending demos to art and/or short video contests is not unusual. It's at least ten-year-old idea ;)
This would kill Demoscene creativity and any purpose to go to parties.
I hate film festivals exactly for the same reason, if you go to a few within two year timespan, you keep on watching the same shit over and over again.
For others, sending demos to art and/or short video contests is not unusual. It's at least ten-year-old idea ;)
pan, yeah i had my first festival screenings back in 2001 :)
