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True, Holiday Inn is one of the most affordable hotels you can get that don't include the free cockarroachez!

Noone has to stay in the freakin' hotel! The only cost you must incur is the ticket price.

Of course if you are coming in from out of town, staying in the hotel helps reduce the costs of the party which helps the party this year and going forward in future years.

Stay at the freakin' homeless shelter for all I care.

you can expect an NES demo from 8bitpeoples at pilgrimage this year.

$20 or $30 says to me that the location is too expensive or the price money is too high :-)

which only shows that you never heard about the prices and prizes at breakpoint... 20-30 is quite ok.

Rasmus... if you stop now you might be able to save what little face you have left. ;)

Some recent/current party and con ticket prices (converted to U.S. dollars by http://www.xe.com/):

$20 - Pilgrimage 2004 (20 USD)
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$24 - Alternative Party 2004 (20 EUR)
$24 - Assembly 2004 Oldschool (20 EUR)
$26 - Deadline Console 2004 (200 SEK)
$42 - Assembly 2004 Regular (35 EUR)
$47 - Trax 10 Year Reunion 2004 (47 USD)
$48 - Breakpoint 2004 (40 EUR)
$50 - 5th Hope H2K4 (50 USD)
$55 - Notacon 2004 (55 USD)
$80 - Defcon 2004 (80 USD)
$82 - The Gathering 2004 (570 NOK)

keep in mind that some parties last about 3-4 days, so you can't really compare the prices.

Prices just are.

$33 - Birdie 14 2004 (250 KER)

And yes, it should be noted that Pilgrimage 2004 is a 2 day event. I believe The Gathering and Assembly are the longest running events this year. Perhaps someone else can do a price per day analysis. ;) In any case, the point has been made.

The point is: There's no such thing as bad publicity! Now everyone has heard of Pilgrimage.

The more people argue about stupid little things, on both sides, the more hatred this stirs up in people, then their people jump in and it grows and grows. If you have a problem, show up, make a difference, if disuaded at the door, protest, hold your own, stir some shit up. Either way, just stfu and do something.

I know several people I would love to meet and hang out with, who abstain because of petty shite like this thread, and that annoys me. I could find fault in their decisions, but it is theres to make. I'll go either way, hotel, empty field, section housing complex, or warzone, I'll have fun with it somehow. Either chatting over beers, shooting some people, or feeding the homeless. I don't care.

wow this is dumb.

And in my haste to put forward my thoughts, I missed words and used incorrect context. Oh well.

Hey. Troll is right. Let's try to learn some lessons after what happened to 'Pac and Biggy, OK?

Hey, I ain't gonna rip off no true innovators like those 2 suckas. PE and KRS-One 4 EVAH.

Skoolly D ! ;)

And where would we be today without Cool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa and the SugarHill Gang? ;)

The Gathering :D

Anyway, another neat addition to the OMGWTF$$$ list:

X2004, a measly €65!

Yet somehow, I doubt I'll get burned (like atTG or TP) by giving these guys my money...

PILGRIMAGE ORGAS SRE EVIL LIARS!!

<radman> skrebbel: Who started this "no beer" rumor so I can kill them ;)
<radman> skrebbel: we have a bartender at the party ;)

watch it, next they're gonna tell you it's gonna be a 4 day outside camping event for just 10 dollars just a week in advance!

skrebbel: hehehe

shifter, well, you got food and drinks included in the money, so you really won't get burned.

i'm wondering if they throw me out if i start my anti-copperbars-rant.

It should be really simple to get people to come to Utah for a demoparty, just get mr.Maddox on stage (shouldnt be to hard, he has his roots from "demoscene" IRC channels) -could be great fun ;-)

Who? :)

http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=irule2

[10:51:54] (SketchCow) SO WHAT YOU DO THINK IS THE BEST 150G OF PROTIEN AND STABLLING MAN FRUIT THAT ARE "KILLING THE SCENE"

skrebbel, "your" anti-copperbar rant? i'm quite sure i heard something similar from a X2004 orgo :)

if you go to x2004 you get a very special Guy Sybian performance (twice) so i heard....

On the first glance, I read that as "very special Gay/Lesbian performance"