sceneid.net: OpenID fairy dust for the demoscene
category: general [glöplog]
wrong place dude.
post some cat pictures instead
post some cat pictures instead
kelsey: Nope, no news. I never heard back from scene.org about restoring access to the proper API. Since - as you say - it still works, and it really makes no practical difference except for having a more "official" stamp from scene.org, I felt there was no reason to chase it up any further.
I get the impression that scene.org are not really interested in supporting sceneID any more - which is obviously their choice to make, but it does mean that it's falling short of the "one login shared with all demoscene portals" goal that it was originally billed as. (Which was kind of the whole point of the sceneid.net site in the first place - so that scene.org don't have to support SceneID on a site-by-site basis - it's up to them if they want to accept it as a solution.)
I get the impression that scene.org are not really interested in supporting sceneID any more - which is obviously their choice to make, but it does mean that it's falling short of the "one login shared with all demoscene portals" goal that it was originally billed as. (Which was kind of the whole point of the sceneid.net site in the first place - so that scene.org don't have to support SceneID on a site-by-site basis - it's up to them if they want to accept it as a solution.)
im no longer scene.org staff since quite a few months now, but from what i remember of the talks, it wasnt much an issue of lack of general interest, more a specific one of lacking someone with free time and personal interest to see it through. matti was the one who pushed the whole sceneid stuff onwards, he became a parent, which meant not much time for everything anymore, and since no one stepped up to the plate to continue the work, it just went idle. im sure if someone trustworthy is interested in developing the thing further for real (not just yet another "yeh i can do that" and then idle for 9 months not doing anything) the rest of the scene.org staff would support the effort in whatever requirements they could assist.
i'm just mentioning this couz it still seems to many that scene.org is this corporation promising world domination with regular secret meetings and it really isnt much then a few friends pushing forward a couple ideas that could be cool for the scene whenever they have free time. so if you think you have a cool idea and want scene.org seal of approval to back it up, why dont you just present it?
it'll get discussed within a few weeks and either you'll get an argumented no which will make you rethink the project, or you'll get assimilated into the team to implement it.
more active staff members can only be a good thing to any non profit organization. so when in doubt, be nike: just do it.
i'm just mentioning this couz it still seems to many that scene.org is this corporation promising world domination with regular secret meetings and it really isnt much then a few friends pushing forward a couple ideas that could be cool for the scene whenever they have free time. so if you think you have a cool idea and want scene.org seal of approval to back it up, why dont you just present it?
it'll get discussed within a few weeks and either you'll get an argumented no which will make you rethink the project, or you'll get assimilated into the team to implement it.
more active staff members can only be a good thing to any non profit organization. so when in doubt, be nike: just do it.
my 2c : sceneid.net is a great idea/project.
okie dokie. Thanks to Knos (and - I presume - Wullon for chasing up), sceneid.net is now using the proper official scene.org API. W00t!
...also, to what ps said: WORD. I fully appreciate that all of this is a free time volunteer thing, and that maintaining web stuff is usually not people's first choice for interesting scene-related stuff to do in the evenings. And that was really my motivation for pushing OpenID originally... as something that does more or less the same thing as SceneID, but less centralised (=> requiring less active maintenance). For the Demozoo project I wanted to do certain things with SceneID; this naturally had some consequences for the scene.org staff's workload; so I chose to build something to try and solve the workload problem from the outside, rather than just whining to them to do some extra work just for me. It wasn't some kind of hostile takeover or "fuck you, I can do this better" statement like some people seemed to think when this debate was raging.
My track record in saying "yeh i can do that" and idling for 9 months is far from perfect, but I'll happily offer support with OpenID integration stuff wherever I can, for anyone who wants to implement that on their scene websites.
...also, to what ps said: WORD. I fully appreciate that all of this is a free time volunteer thing, and that maintaining web stuff is usually not people's first choice for interesting scene-related stuff to do in the evenings. And that was really my motivation for pushing OpenID originally... as something that does more or less the same thing as SceneID, but less centralised (=> requiring less active maintenance). For the Demozoo project I wanted to do certain things with SceneID; this naturally had some consequences for the scene.org staff's workload; so I chose to build something to try and solve the workload problem from the outside, rather than just whining to them to do some extra work just for me. It wasn't some kind of hostile takeover or "fuck you, I can do this better" statement like some people seemed to think when this debate was raging.
My track record in saying "yeh i can do that" and idling for 9 months is far from perfect, but I'll happily offer support with OpenID integration stuff wherever I can, for anyone who wants to implement that on their scene websites.
Also to answer anybody's concern about their personal info leaking to sites they never have heard of, take a look at your own personal account on scene.org.
A checkbox has been added so you can decide which site can or cannot access your personal information.
- All existing scene sites are by default opt-out.
- sceneid.net is considered a gateway to other sites, so it's opt-in
A checkbox has been added so you can decide which site can or cannot access your personal information.
- All existing scene sites are by default opt-out.
- sceneid.net is considered a gateway to other sites, so it's opt-in
apparently sceneid.net no longer operates as an openID provider, I'll have to go and look elsewhere. :(
Hmm? It's still working for me. Care to provide more details?
(note that - as per knos's post above - you need to go to http://www.scene.org/editinfo.php and explicitly opt in with the appropriate checkbox before it'll let you log in to sceneid.net. IMHO there's no real technical reason to require that step - choosing to enter your username/password at sceneid.net ought to be enough indication of opting in - but that's scene.org's decision.)
(note that - as per knos's post above - you need to go to http://www.scene.org/editinfo.php and explicitly opt in with the appropriate checkbox before it'll let you log in to sceneid.net. IMHO there's no real technical reason to require that step - choosing to enter your username/password at sceneid.net ought to be enough indication of opting in - but that's scene.org's decision.)