I need to be fit. Any suggestions?
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thom+wade: you two should just decide this with an arm wrestle.
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Yet people happily convince themselves that if you don't eat fat you absolutely won't have a heart attack, and if you don't smoke you absolutely won't get cancer, and blah blah. The world is random, deal with it.
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But I still prefer to not eat too much crap, and to keep running because it increases quality of life while I'm still here. Exercise and sensible eating aren't just a means to an end, they're an end in themselves.
aargh... even sugars is a good source of carbs.
its more about the time when you take it and the how much at once.
and there is no need for too much protein. if you eat to much you will get fat too. eating only protein is really wrong .even in a diet. even as a bodybuilder. and there is no need for a cutting if you doing it the right way.
optimus. when you really want to get fit, do sports and read books about the human body and how it works. he tells you what you need.
youre doing it wrong when you focus yourself on "what can i eat and what not"
its more about the time when you take it and the how much at once.
and there is no need for too much protein. if you eat to much you will get fat too. eating only protein is really wrong .even in a diet. even as a bodybuilder. and there is no need for a cutting if you doing it the right way.
optimus. when you really want to get fit, do sports and read books about the human body and how it works. he tells you what you need.
youre doing it wrong when you focus yourself on "what can i eat and what not"
If I can manage to keep low calories, carbohydrates or fat, does it matter with which foods I am doing it?
For example, today I found some small packs of chips which were 50gr and said 253kcal, 3.9carb, 4.5fat. Right instantly, a friend would argue "Chips? BAAAADDD!!!". However those chips were not as salty and oily like others and they were just right to keep my hunger away. I won't be eating tons of it, I could just have a small bag of them whenever I get hungry to slowly slowly eat few. If I check the calories and hydrocarbonates and stuff of it and it is so few in moderation?
Also, I think I'd like to add in my diet the snack kinds of food because you eat slowly and it takes a long time and sometimes when I do specific things (like studying or reading slashdot) I like to have something near me to eat at small quantities to keep my mood up. Are there any other kind of such snack foods for diet?
Another question. Many people have suggested the frequent small lunches on 3 hours, instead of big lunch after more than 5 hours. A dietologist I had visited once had told me I shouldn't eat between less than 5 hours for some reason she had done in her PHd, something that the organism needs time to burn or digest the last lunch in 5 hours, I don't remember it exactly. What do you have to say about that?
I see some good correlation between calories and loosing weight the last days I started this. It was a good idea to start this counting (and keep it simple, when I don't know I just guesstimate) and I want to see if the correlation continues or I reach the point where it's harder to loose. And see what happens after that..
For example, today I found some small packs of chips which were 50gr and said 253kcal, 3.9carb, 4.5fat. Right instantly, a friend would argue "Chips? BAAAADDD!!!". However those chips were not as salty and oily like others and they were just right to keep my hunger away. I won't be eating tons of it, I could just have a small bag of them whenever I get hungry to slowly slowly eat few. If I check the calories and hydrocarbonates and stuff of it and it is so few in moderation?
Also, I think I'd like to add in my diet the snack kinds of food because you eat slowly and it takes a long time and sometimes when I do specific things (like studying or reading slashdot) I like to have something near me to eat at small quantities to keep my mood up. Are there any other kind of such snack foods for diet?
Another question. Many people have suggested the frequent small lunches on 3 hours, instead of big lunch after more than 5 hours. A dietologist I had visited once had told me I shouldn't eat between less than 5 hours for some reason she had done in her PHd, something that the organism needs time to burn or digest the last lunch in 5 hours, I don't remember it exactly. What do you have to say about that?
I see some good correlation between calories and loosing weight the last days I started this. It was a good idea to start this counting (and keep it simple, when I don't know I just guesstimate) and I want to see if the correlation continues or I reach the point where it's harder to loose. And see what happens after that..
if you keep eating chips or fat free candies, you're fucked
maybe she intended that meats need more than 5 hours to be digested? clarify with her if you can.
i think that when you start out it's ok to eat those chips once in while, as if you totally cut out all the junk food you have been eating your whole life at once, you will fall in a depression. by time, as your body adjusts itself to healthy habits, and you start seeing results, and gain more confidence youwill replace those chips with fruit :)
i think that when you start out it's ok to eat those chips once in while, as if you totally cut out all the junk food you have been eating your whole life at once, you will fall in a depression. by time, as your body adjusts itself to healthy habits, and you start seeing results, and gain more confidence youwill replace those chips with fruit :)
i don't recall any argument against eating more frequently than 5 hours. maybe you could ask her for the arguments again. besides, if you keep munching, you do violate her 5-hour rule...
there are better stuff than chips (like e.g. matzo, or germinated wheat, or basically any stuff that's no fat, no salt), but the best is a chewing gum. you should really just give up the urge to munch stuff :)
there are better stuff than chips (like e.g. matzo, or germinated wheat, or basically any stuff that's no fat, no salt), but the best is a chewing gum. you should really just give up the urge to munch stuff :)
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For example, today I found some small packs of chips which were 50gr and said 253kcal, 3.9carb, 4.5fat
Those numbers don't really mean anything. If the carb and fat measurements are in grams, the energy content should be more like 50 kcal. If they're % by weight, should be more like 25 kcal in that package.
Crisps/chips/fries generally, though, very bad way to lose weight. Consider some baked or steamed potatoes instead.
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Are there any other kind of such snack foods for diet?
Fruit. Like, pears, strawberries, bananas. They're all carbs, but they can be very filling and you can eat quite a lot before it builds up to a lot of calories. Or (better) vegetables. Try to find those little packs that you just throw in the microwave for a few minutes, and eat them with a bit of salt.
Fried (not deep-fried) vegetables are yummy, too, and you can spice them as you like (although keep the salt to a minimum). Meat, also good if it's lean (like chicken breast).
And be very skeptical of traditionally unhealthy foods portrayed like they're somehow healthy. Like "fat-free sweets" or "light mayonnaise" or "Weight-Watchers' triple-chocolate fudge cake". It's almost always bullshit.
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A dietologist I had visited once
"Dietologist" sounds too much like "scientologist". And you mention it was a woman. Don't trust women, or scientologists. Eat six meals a day, keep each on the order of 400-500 kcal (with a good amount of protein and fibre) depending on your current weight, and generally avoid fat. The idea is to keep your metabolism going without eating too much altogether.
i am for the same school of thought as Doom. eat 5-6 times a day and keep your metabolism always on the go. plus add fun excercising like dancing, aerobics, martial arts.
i think most white meats are quite healthy if eaten in moderation. i like chicken, pork, rabbit, fish... there's so much good stuff to eat out there :) i also make my own pizzas using lots of veggies and tuna, and use a fibre deli wrap instead of the traditional pizza base... yummy!
i think most white meats are quite healthy if eaten in moderation. i like chicken, pork, rabbit, fish... there's so much good stuff to eat out there :) i also make my own pizzas using lots of veggies and tuna, and use a fibre deli wrap instead of the traditional pizza base... yummy!
optimus: try overclocking!
Yes, 5-6 (small) meals a day is definitely a good thing as it keeps your metabolism high, which in turn helps you to burn fat. It's also a good thing because you'll find you rely much less on side orders, such as fries, rice etc.
As for this "dietologist", I'm with Doom on this too. Be very suspicious of anyone calling themself a "nutritionalist", "health guru" or anything except doctor or dietician. I would also recommend looking at her health and shape before considering her advice.
I second Mop here. This is why most fad or extreme diets fail. It's too much too soon and, what's more, people see it as a temporary measure...a few months of healthy eating to lose weight and then back to normal binging. It really has to be a permanent change of habits and lifestyle.
Also, if you cut too much too soon you could cause your body to plateau - to reach a state where it adapts to the low calories and stops burning fat.
As for this "dietologist", I'm with Doom on this too. Be very suspicious of anyone calling themself a "nutritionalist", "health guru" or anything except doctor or dietician. I would also recommend looking at her health and shape before considering her advice.
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when you start out it's ok to eat those chips once in while, as if you totally cut out all the junk food you have been eating your whole life at once, you will fall in a depression. by time, as your body adjusts itself to healthy habits, and you start seeing results, and gain more confidence youwill replace those chips with fruit :)
I second Mop here. This is why most fad or extreme diets fail. It's too much too soon and, what's more, people see it as a temporary measure...a few months of healthy eating to lose weight and then back to normal binging. It really has to be a permanent change of habits and lifestyle.
Also, if you cut too much too soon you could cause your body to plateau - to reach a state where it adapts to the low calories and stops burning fat.
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thom+wade: you two should just decide this with an arm wrestle.
I think all arguments should be resolved this way, even international wars. :)
i'm with wade here.
thom - please look up what an anabolic diet is about. try it out and then consider coming back telling that it did not work for you. unless your body does in fact respond negative to a bigger load of protein, you might be the first person i heard of that didn't have a positive effect on a low carb/high protein diet.
thom - please look up what an anabolic diet is about. try it out and then consider coming back telling that it did not work for you. unless your body does in fact respond negative to a bigger load of protein, you might be the first person i heard of that didn't have a positive effect on a low carb/high protein diet.
and as for the dieatican-thing; an acquaintance of mine is weighing in at about 240lbs with a high ratio of BF, and he did become master in nutrition and dietics some years ago. that obviously is part of the entertainment-plan of the german economic system.
in fact he's still smiling over the matter that he made it, smiling like a drugged up dentist with the shot of novocaine at his hand, assuring you that things will be allright.
in fact he's still smiling over the matter that he made it, smiling like a drugged up dentist with the shot of novocaine at his hand, assuring you that things will be allright.
No, she is a doctor actually.
I can't eat 6 meals a day because it's too much for my plan.
Those chips were saying those numbers for the pack (there were also numbers for 100gr inscribed). I think the problem with snacks is that you eat so much and you don't count the calories and stuff when you did that excessively in the past. But if I have to write down stuff it's easier to see.
Also, fruits have more calories and carbohydrates than I thought. I have bought some bananas and I can eat 2-3 and still not being filled up as people say (one banana is 108kcal and 17.5carb here) and I eat them fast. With one small bag of those chips it's less. Grapes, too much. Of course it sounds healthy because fruits always sound healthy and chips always sound unhealthy but what is the reality? Ok,. I will stick in the snack chip plan and sometimes the fruit plan and actually I will add these number and check my weight and I will see how it works. The best thing it to see how it works on yourself (I never investigated this seriously before actually) and not be confused by the various opinions around you.
I can't eat 6 meals a day because it's too much for my plan.
Those chips were saying those numbers for the pack (there were also numbers for 100gr inscribed). I think the problem with snacks is that you eat so much and you don't count the calories and stuff when you did that excessively in the past. But if I have to write down stuff it's easier to see.
Also, fruits have more calories and carbohydrates than I thought. I have bought some bananas and I can eat 2-3 and still not being filled up as people say (one banana is 108kcal and 17.5carb here) and I eat them fast. With one small bag of those chips it's less. Grapes, too much. Of course it sounds healthy because fruits always sound healthy and chips always sound unhealthy but what is the reality? Ok,. I will stick in the snack chip plan and sometimes the fruit plan and actually I will add these number and check my weight and I will see how it works. The best thing it to see how it works on yourself (I never investigated this seriously before actually) and not be confused by the various opinions around you.
you will not get fit by eating a little bit less (even though you might convince yourself otherwise)
Someone has to start from somewhere.
I also said that the problem is of other nature (psychological, etc) than just some suggestions.
The good thing is that by starting the count down I ate quite less than in the past. Because I don't eat carelessly, I see now that I reach the limit with fewer stuff than I thought and it's harder to be seduced into getting the additional more. At least for a week, let's see how it goes on in a month.
I also said that the problem is of other nature (psychological, etc) than just some suggestions.
The good thing is that by starting the count down I ate quite less than in the past. Because I don't eat carelessly, I see now that I reach the limit with fewer stuff than I thought and it's harder to be seduced into getting the additional more. At least for a week, let's see how it goes on in a month.
tofu and fish
Also I want to loose weight. Maybe the subject was wrong there. I still don't have it as a lifestyle. Someone said it and it might be right, that I shouldn't aim for weight but for lifestyle. The problem is that I do not want to. I haven't understood that what I do now is not good. And that's the dead end.
So at least I'd like to "reduce" that lifestyle. Ok, it's like having to not eat but still wanting to eat. It's pushing it from both sides. But I don't think I will change entirely my eating lifestyle. I want to find a middle solution. Except if addiction or habit kicks out and I do the change. But right now I don't feel like I am gonna do it.
How to explain it? What I sometimes think is "I want to loose a lot of weight so that I can freely eat stuff again". I never did the thought: "I want to eat healthy for life". I can't understand this. It's like an end in itself. What I think now is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I can later enjoy them without guilt". What healthy eating for life suggests is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I will stop eating my nice foods till the end of my life". Of course it's not entirely like that, but it's like changing my lifestyle which cannot change. Maybe it can evolve. I don't know..
I know that with a philosophy like this, you will say there is no solution. Anyone on that specific dead end I am that can speak of his experiences?
So at least I'd like to "reduce" that lifestyle. Ok, it's like having to not eat but still wanting to eat. It's pushing it from both sides. But I don't think I will change entirely my eating lifestyle. I want to find a middle solution. Except if addiction or habit kicks out and I do the change. But right now I don't feel like I am gonna do it.
How to explain it? What I sometimes think is "I want to loose a lot of weight so that I can freely eat stuff again". I never did the thought: "I want to eat healthy for life". I can't understand this. It's like an end in itself. What I think now is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I can later enjoy them without guilt". What healthy eating for life suggests is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I will stop eating my nice foods till the end of my life". Of course it's not entirely like that, but it's like changing my lifestyle which cannot change. Maybe it can evolve. I don't know..
I know that with a philosophy like this, you will say there is no solution. Anyone on that specific dead end I am that can speak of his experiences?
Also I don't think I will be able to change my lifestyle concerning sports. Even now that I got to the university and there were those sporting clubs in a fair I subscribed in their mailinglists and I would like to try some, but I didn't have time to subscribe or the motivation to leave my room (maybe I am an otaku) and travel with the metro to these too (even if they were near my house, I doubt. I also hate gyms). Maybe the only solution is really the Wii fit.
You showed a good approach in some of your previous attempts to create a relevant thread!
One banana won't make you feel full, but you're not supposed to feel full all the time, you're just supposed to "get through the day". After a couple of days it won't feel so bad, mind. And there's still something wrong with the numbers for those crisps. You won't get 253 kcal out of 1.95 g carbohydrates and 2.25 g fat. A typical 50 g bag of crisps will contain:
Protein: 2.5 g
Fibre: 2.5 g
Carbs: 25 g
Fat: 15 g
Energy: 250 kcal
As for the doctor, I dunno. Good doctors don't normally advise patients based on their own original research when that research disputes conventional wisdom. It sounds like you have your mind set on not really changing your habits too much so you'll believe only what you want to hear. I think even Wade and thom would agree that eating 5-6 small meals a day is both healthy and essential to losing weight. How can six meals be "too much", anyway? If it adds up to too many calories or whatever, you just eat smaller meals.
Protein: 2.5 g
Fibre: 2.5 g
Carbs: 25 g
Fat: 15 g
Energy: 250 kcal
As for the doctor, I dunno. Good doctors don't normally advise patients based on their own original research when that research disputes conventional wisdom. It sounds like you have your mind set on not really changing your habits too much so you'll believe only what you want to hear. I think even Wade and thom would agree that eating 5-6 small meals a day is both healthy and essential to losing weight. How can six meals be "too much", anyway? If it adds up to too many calories or whatever, you just eat smaller meals.
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I want to loose a lot of weight so that I can freely eat stuff again
Dieting is not cumulative the way you're imagining. Don't think of it as a bank account. Your weight is primarily a function of how much you've "been eating recently". If you eat like a healthy person you'll start to look like one. As soon as you begin eating like an unhealthy person again, you'll start to look like an unhealthy person again. In other words, short-term dieting has zero effect in the long term.
Not that there's anything wrong with looking unhealthy if you're comfortable with it. But a half-hearted attempt at looking/being healthy like a short-term diet will accomplish absolutely nothing, except it's quite bad for your health in itself, not to mention it's a lot of frustration for no good reason, which will likely make you even less motivated in the future.
Optimus: sounds like a good plan with the Wii Fit, especially if you hate gyms and such. I'm not a gym person either, so running is optimal for me (I can't be arsed to go to the gym, whereas just putting on running shoes and going for a run takes less time). We covered that earlier though, it's probably not a good idea to start out with running - cycling/walking/swimming can do the trick instead. If you like the countryside or the forest, then go for a hike there, make it an end in itself, rather than a means to the end of losing weight. Also: little things can make a big difference: take the stairs, walk instead of taking the bus, cycle to school/work/whatever, etc.
I think I understand what you're saying... you're not really bothered by your current life style, you just want to be rid of the weight problem, right? I think once you change your diet and exercise habits, it'll become something you actually like doing, and that'll make a world of difference. I think it'll change your view on your current life style! (I used to hate running, really absolutely hate it - now I love it. I also used to love sweets and especially cakes, but I hardly ever touch them now ... I guess cutting down my sugar intake has changed my taste .. in any case, cakes are now so sweet that I find them disgusting).
Sure. I think most people who used to be overweight faced that same problem, actually. You're going to have to exert some will power for a while, until you get over the addiction. I know that feels like a pretty unhelpful suggestion, but that's what you have to do. It gets easier more quickly than you might think, just give it a couple of weeks, you should see a few results by then! Obviously the whole project will take longer, and I think you'll only get the really big results a bit later on - but even after two weeks I think you'll have less cravings for the things you used to want to eat.
but
overall, I think the best thing you can possibly due is find some mates that share your goal, so you can commit to the project together.
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How to explain it? What I sometimes think is "I want to loose a lot of weight so that I can freely eat stuff again". I never did the thought: "I want to eat healthy for life". I can't understand this. It's like an end in itself. What I think now is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I can later enjoy them without guilt". What healthy eating for life suggests is "I will make patience, I won't eat my nice foods for a while so that I will stop eating my nice foods till the end of my life". Of course it's not entirely like that, but it's like changing my lifestyle which cannot change. Maybe it can evolve. I don't know...
I think I understand what you're saying... you're not really bothered by your current life style, you just want to be rid of the weight problem, right? I think once you change your diet and exercise habits, it'll become something you actually like doing, and that'll make a world of difference. I think it'll change your view on your current life style! (I used to hate running, really absolutely hate it - now I love it. I also used to love sweets and especially cakes, but I hardly ever touch them now ... I guess cutting down my sugar intake has changed my taste .. in any case, cakes are now so sweet that I find them disgusting).
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I know that with a philosophy like this, you will say there is no solution. Anyone on that specific dead end I am that can speak of his experiences?
Sure. I think most people who used to be overweight faced that same problem, actually. You're going to have to exert some will power for a while, until you get over the addiction. I know that feels like a pretty unhelpful suggestion, but that's what you have to do. It gets easier more quickly than you might think, just give it a couple of weeks, you should see a few results by then! Obviously the whole project will take longer, and I think you'll only get the really big results a bit later on - but even after two weeks I think you'll have less cravings for the things you used to want to eat.
but
overall, I think the best thing you can possibly due is find some mates that share your goal, so you can commit to the project together.
