Why non-artists don't understand art?
category: general [glöplog]
ok so the third component of humour is boobies
but is it art?
an analogy to art is if you invented your own artificial language, complete with beautiful lexicon and grammar. if you use your new artificial language in the shop, you will not be able to buy any groceries
so everyone fuck off with the annoying arguments!
but is it art?
an analogy to art is if you invented your own artificial language, complete with beautiful lexicon and grammar. if you use your new artificial language in the shop, you will not be able to buy any groceries
so everyone fuck off with the annoying arguments!
Hab SoSlI' Quch!
But maybe the fact that you don't get groceries is what makes it art!!! Do you see?
#&é&@gr!r(Grr)#"....
Tascha's are not art, because he is just showing of with his skills.
They are very detailled, but there is nog message, no feeling, no nothing.
I just know he wants to make simple charcoal scetches. but that way he won't be noticed.
That doesn't mean art can't be commercial.
e.g. advertisements are allways made to sell. but when you compare the Vannish Oxi Action commercials to the CocaCola adds i think it becomes clear.
Someone has put his soul into the Coke adds, the Vannish commercials suck away your soul.
They are very detailled, but there is nog message, no feeling, no nothing.
I just know he wants to make simple charcoal scetches. but that way he won't be noticed.
That doesn't mean art can't be commercial.
e.g. advertisements are allways made to sell. but when you compare the Vannish Oxi Action commercials to the CocaCola adds i think it becomes clear.
Someone has put his soul into the Coke adds, the Vannish commercials suck away your soul.
commercial work of art are VERY rare. Mostly because there is someone paying behind, and because of that, the person paying will impose his or her views on the artist.
Companies like Coca Cola or Nike have tons of money and sometimes pay huge bucks to people they trust, and tell them to go crazy =)
This can pave the way to works of art. It can also happen in any other industry. However this kind of scenario is very very rare. Most of the time the person financing the artist will have his/her doubts or even more often will want to play the artist too. Even worst is when we go in Hollywood or with the big bucks game company or record label, where we have Producer X telling Artist Y that he/she should do this and that because that's what the crowd wants.
This will almost always create commercial crap, while at the same time it will generally make *usable* crap.
Take Acid Jazzed Evening, GRG's version, it's a piece of art. Now take the Timbalanded version, it's commercial work. However people will prefer the Timbalanded version, cuz it's so much more "user friendly", while ppl in the scene who are not put off by those blips and bloops and don't consider everything made on an 8-bit machine to be nintendo game music, will appreciate it.
Appreciation goes with education, and generally speaking, art (in its current definition) is not made to please (unlike illustration and other craft) but to explore and push the limits further. To innovate.
And btw someone talked about Mona Lisa. While this is classic art and isn't a good example for our discussion, it's interresting to note that the person who comissioned it never actually accepted it. It was so scientific and geometrical (somehow so much DaVinciish) that it didn't looked like the person it was supposed to.
Companies like Coca Cola or Nike have tons of money and sometimes pay huge bucks to people they trust, and tell them to go crazy =)
This can pave the way to works of art. It can also happen in any other industry. However this kind of scenario is very very rare. Most of the time the person financing the artist will have his/her doubts or even more often will want to play the artist too. Even worst is when we go in Hollywood or with the big bucks game company or record label, where we have Producer X telling Artist Y that he/she should do this and that because that's what the crowd wants.
This will almost always create commercial crap, while at the same time it will generally make *usable* crap.
Take Acid Jazzed Evening, GRG's version, it's a piece of art. Now take the Timbalanded version, it's commercial work. However people will prefer the Timbalanded version, cuz it's so much more "user friendly", while ppl in the scene who are not put off by those blips and bloops and don't consider everything made on an 8-bit machine to be nintendo game music, will appreciate it.
Appreciation goes with education, and generally speaking, art (in its current definition) is not made to please (unlike illustration and other craft) but to explore and push the limits further. To innovate.
And btw someone talked about Mona Lisa. While this is classic art and isn't a good example for our discussion, it's interresting to note that the person who comissioned it never actually accepted it. It was so scientific and geometrical (somehow so much DaVinciish) that it didn't looked like the person it was supposed to.
You are all wrong and i am right.
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In other words: It doesn't mean much if somebody is a member of Mensa - this means he is only more intelligent than 98% of the population. Really high intelligence starts at the 99.999999999th percentile, which is the requirement for membership in the Universal Genius Guild (see http://www.high-iq.net/).Let say, just to use some numbers, suppose Tascha is better painter than the 99.99% or 99.999% of the population - rarity 1 in 10,000 or 100,000). Everybody will see that she is good, and that not everybody reach that level, but probably people get impressed only by painters in the 99.99999% - rarity of 1 in 10,000,000 -, or said other way, being one of the very best in your country.
You're probably right.
I guess the average IQ of top democoders (Chaos, ryg, Navis, iq, ...) is far above the 99.999th percentile.
Trallalaalalalaaaaaaaa. >100% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other words: Posting here shows flammabiltiy above 9999999999999.999999999999%, which is requirement for pouet bbs.
Blalalalal art blablabla i know better blalalalabla you have no clue blalalalalalbalblablablabalbalbalbalbal.
see ???
In other words: Posting here shows flammabiltiy above 9999999999999.999999999999%, which is requirement for pouet bbs.
Blalalalal art blablabla i know better blalalalabla you have no clue blalalalalalbalblablablabalbalbalbalbal.
see ???
I wonder if it's pure coincidence that the founder of the Universal Genius Guild appears to be a complete tosser: behold!
(Yes, that's the guy, apparently.)
(Yes, that's the guy, apparently.)
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I guess the average IQ of top democoders (Chaos, ryg, Navis, iq, ...) is far above the 99.999th percentile.
99th? fuk u im first.
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In other words: It doesn't mean much if somebody is a member of Mensa
HOW DARE YOU INSULT ADOK LIKE HTAT?=!
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HOW DARE YOU INSULT ADOK LIKE HTAT?=!
He insulted himself?
NO, IT WAS KKODAK
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In other words: It doesn't mean much if somebody is a member of Mensa - this means he is only more intelligent than 98% of the population. Really high intelligence starts at the 99.999999999th percentile, which is the requirement for membership in the Universal Genius Guild (see http://www.high-iq.net/).
they forgot the we-all-sit-in-a-circle-wanking-furiously society. iq requirements > 99.9999....9 (or you have to code a demo with at least 10 cdcs on pouet).
HELLO. I AM KKIMMI. I HAVE A MESSAGE FOR KKODAK, SO HERE GOES:
I AM THE LIVING PROOF THAT TOP IQ HAS NO CORRELATION WITH TOP DEMOCODING SKILLS WHATSOEVER!!!111111111111111111 BUT I DID BORROW IQ'S HAT ONCE AND MY EARS FELT LESS COLD!!!111 BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY I ALREADY SAID SO I WONT SAY IT AGAIN!
THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO FOCUS ON SOCIAL ACTIVITIES INBETWEEN WANKING OFF TO VONOROI TESSELATION!
BYES FROM: KKIMMI
I AM THE LIVING PROOF THAT TOP IQ HAS NO CORRELATION WITH TOP DEMOCODING SKILLS WHATSOEVER!!!111111111111111111 BUT I DID BORROW IQ'S HAT ONCE AND MY EARS FELT LESS COLD!!!111 BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY I ALREADY SAID SO I WONT SAY IT AGAIN!
THANKS FOR YOUR ATTENTION, I KNOW IT'S HARD TO FOCUS ON SOCIAL ACTIVITIES INBETWEEN WANKING OFF TO VONOROI TESSELATION!
BYES FROM: KKIMMI
speaking of which, KKODAK,
who the hell is a gentleman called "emmapwork emmapwork" who sent me an email of a private conversation (rant) between him and you (adok) about games, demos and (who would have guessed it) IQ tests. I'm not making this up, this guy is a cross between optimus and E.P. (Emmanuele Perrier or what's his name, that French lunatic).
[/quote] And I was interested in simplicity: I like control (no, you didn't have wondered that by yourself...) and when you like control, things have to be very simple, if they are complex you control nothing. Why do I like control? Because I'm an anxious guy: I've been raised by a military. And I also like control because I like to understand. I like to control myself, controling others is fun but vain: they'll do what they like to as soon as you'll lose control over them destroying anything you would have forced them to. I went to the scene for enlightenment: have you heard of pythagora, kant, descartes, locke? Demos were food for the mind, nothing else.
My brain is such that it can't handle complexity, at least at present, that may change but I also not to waste my time: and you waste a lot when things are complex. Back to the roots! Be happy, play games. [/quote]
Was it a human error ?
who the hell is a gentleman called "emmapwork emmapwork" who sent me an email of a private conversation (rant) between him and you (adok) about games, demos and (who would have guessed it) IQ tests. I'm not making this up, this guy is a cross between optimus and E.P. (Emmanuele Perrier or what's his name, that French lunatic).
[/quote] And I was interested in simplicity: I like control (no, you didn't have wondered that by yourself...) and when you like control, things have to be very simple, if they are complex you control nothing. Why do I like control? Because I'm an anxious guy: I've been raised by a military. And I also like control because I like to understand. I like to control myself, controling others is fun but vain: they'll do what they like to as soon as you'll lose control over them destroying anything you would have forced them to. I went to the scene for enlightenment: have you heard of pythagora, kant, descartes, locke? Demos were food for the mind, nothing else.
My brain is such that it can't handle complexity, at least at present, that may change but I also not to waste my time: and you waste a lot when things are complex. Back to the roots! Be happy, play games. [/quote]
Was it a human error ?
ah, it was after all ep of the 5 girlfriends fame.
Don't know what to say any more...
Don't know what to say any more...
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I guess the average IQ of top democoders (Chaos, ryg, Navis, iq, ...) is far above the 99.999th percentile.
Why is is this list always the same 4 people? It's like we don't have any other skilled coders in the scene.
poor Smash is sitting home going "JUST GIVE ME A CHANCE, I CAN SHOW IT!"
My plan was not to post in this thread. Just needed to say it like you enjoy to say it here on pouet.
"what mermaid said". :)
"what mermaid said". :)
I'll repeat an "old" danish saying: "shut up, and do a demo!"
not that anyone is going to read this here at page five of a 13-in-a-dozen-thread, but i once was taught the following definition of art (in high school art class):
so that includes that aspect of your tv set that makes it look pretty in the room but doesn't help you watch movies better. it includes the amount of trees planted on the roundabout, and it includes demos nearly entirely. it doesn't include the engine in your car and the database architecture of pouet (though the latter, i'm sure, comes close).
this is an awesome definition, because it allows one to stop wondering what art is and what it isn't and whether it's only for pretentious morons or for everybody and why and how many subsidies it deserves and blablabla, and instead to just talk about whether you like it or not. which is the only thing that really matters, of course, the rest is bullshit.
example: i don't like the tascha stuff because it looks so much like everything else out there in that fantasygeek-genre so it bores me. but surely i could never do it myself - but that does not matter. (i can't play world class football either, but still i don't like football; what's the difference?)
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everything about some thing that has no direct relation to the function of that thing.
so that includes that aspect of your tv set that makes it look pretty in the room but doesn't help you watch movies better. it includes the amount of trees planted on the roundabout, and it includes demos nearly entirely. it doesn't include the engine in your car and the database architecture of pouet (though the latter, i'm sure, comes close).
this is an awesome definition, because it allows one to stop wondering what art is and what it isn't and whether it's only for pretentious morons or for everybody and why and how many subsidies it deserves and blablabla, and instead to just talk about whether you like it or not. which is the only thing that really matters, of course, the rest is bullshit.
example: i don't like the tascha stuff because it looks so much like everything else out there in that fantasygeek-genre so it bores me. but surely i could never do it myself - but that does not matter. (i can't play world class football either, but still i don't like football; what's the difference?)
Navis: Yes, emmapwork = EP. And it's not okay that he forwards private correspondence to others, but what else would you expect from him?