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street preaching?
hostage negotiation?
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-trial-day-5-peters-political-trial-090220/
dreamhack is quoted as the meeting where tpb got a first financial support from 40+ yr old entrepreneur Carl Lundström.
dreamhack is quoted as the meeting where tpb got a first financial support from 40+ yr old entrepreneur Carl Lundström.
what's rightfully human about not paying for a service?
Gargaj: FAIL. You'd make a half-decend music industry lawyer tho with that line of "reasoning"
But try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Read article 10 to 12. And then explain how cutting off a person's communication services without any trial is possibly in concordance with those articles.
But try this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights
Read article 10 to 12. And then explain how cutting off a person's communication services without any trial is possibly in concordance with those articles.
which person are we talking about again?
"we"? As it seems now you were talking about Zest. Well, that's way within your personal freedoms, but let me assure you that the choice of words you've made in your pursuit of talking about aforementioned person was... miserable. :)
Apart from that I've never heard so far that scaring away trolls by being even more stupid than them has worked. Ever.
Apart from that I've never heard so far that scaring away trolls by being even more stupid than them has worked. Ever.
DEIBA-DEIBA-DEIB-IA
the... what? who said anything about trolls? the topic was piracy, far as i got it :o
erm, usage of the term "human rights" has become inflationary and increasingly absurd over the past few years, so let me offer a few examples of things that are actually human rights:
And now a few things that aren't:
The whole copyright/IP situation is a royal mess that needs to be resolved, but none of it has anything to do with human rights, and if anyone really thinks that a right to engage in filesharing is at the same level at his right to be free from racial or religious discrimination or his right not to be tortured, then that person has some pretty skewed priorities.
And no, getting your ISP to shut down your internet access if there is proof of you doing something forbidden in your jurisdiction is not illegal no matter how you slice it. It's a question if the act you were committing should be illegal, and it's also a question how someone who's not a law enforcement agency with a warrant traced back your IP to your name (and how that relates to your privacy rights), but shutting down the connection itself is perfectly reasonable, and again, if you're arguing against that, you're just a bloody idiot.
- The right to life, liberty and security of person.
- Freeness from slavery and servitude.
- The right to not be tortured or subjected to cruel or unusual punishment.
- All are equal before the law.
- Freedom of thought, conscience and religion.
- The right to education.
And now a few things that aren't:
- There's no such thing as a right to have cheap broadband internet access. and your contract with the ISP is just that, a contract under civil law.
- There's no right to copy and disseminate information at will. And even if there was such a right, I don't see what it has to do with human rights.
The whole copyright/IP situation is a royal mess that needs to be resolved, but none of it has anything to do with human rights, and if anyone really thinks that a right to engage in filesharing is at the same level at his right to be free from racial or religious discrimination or his right not to be tortured, then that person has some pretty skewed priorities.
And no, getting your ISP to shut down your internet access if there is proof of you doing something forbidden in your jurisdiction is not illegal no matter how you slice it. It's a question if the act you were committing should be illegal, and it's also a question how someone who's not a law enforcement agency with a warrant traced back your IP to your name (and how that relates to your privacy rights), but shutting down the connection itself is perfectly reasonable, and again, if you're arguing against that, you're just a bloody idiot.
ryg:
I believe the debate about cutting one's internet connection, or at least the version I have seen, does not concern cases where there is actual proof of illegal activity. The copyright organizations have been pushing for a system where they themselves could force ISP's to cut people's internet connections if they find a reason to suspect them. Proof of guilt is quite different from reason to suspect and especially if it's the plaintiff who get's to decide about the weight of the charges.
Oh and here's one more thing often mistakenly claimed as a human right while it's nothing of the sort: Copyright.
I believe the debate about cutting one's internet connection, or at least the version I have seen, does not concern cases where there is actual proof of illegal activity. The copyright organizations have been pushing for a system where they themselves could force ISP's to cut people's internet connections if they find a reason to suspect them. Proof of guilt is quite different from reason to suspect and especially if it's the plaintiff who get's to decide about the weight of the charges.
Oh and here's one more thing often mistakenly claimed as a human right while it's nothing of the sort: Copyright.
according to Valve "pirates" are just underserved costumers. I have to admit that I have jumped the steam bandwagon. yeah I was sceptical for a long time, but now I have purchased 3 games though it, and I am satisfied entirely. It is easy to keep track of freinds who play the same games, I dont need the cd in the drive, they often have -well practically giveaways, 20% 75% off weekend etc etc etc..And it would seem that Valve has decided to give steam away for free to other game makers and publishers. obviously steam has its own problems, but for someone with a fast internet connection, steam is the streaight dope! ...and i get to play a lot of games I would never have even noticed <3 <3 <3 world of goo eg. Now if just game publishers could admit that steam has won, so we wont be bugged with GFWL and other bog shit like that.
Ryg. Private firms (ISP's) are not supposed to act as law enforcing agencies. Unless you feel that mossulini was absolutely right when he coined the term "fascism" as a merger between statepower and industry.
It is not up to them to decide if the data you are downloading is illegal or not, infact, it is not up to them to look at your data EVER. They provide a door and a frame that you can walk in and out through, that is it. If there is a legal problem, the police should get involved, and by the power of a judge, someones internet connection can be cut. because that is the power a judge has, see how that works there (we call this civilisation, even if I DO disagree with that)
Ryg. Private firms (ISP's) are not supposed to act as law enforcing agencies. Unless you feel that mossulini was absolutely right when he coined the term "fascism" as a merger between statepower and industry.
It is not up to them to decide if the data you are downloading is illegal or not, infact, it is not up to them to look at your data EVER. They provide a door and a frame that you can walk in and out through, that is it. If there is a legal problem, the police should get involved, and by the power of a judge, someones internet connection can be cut. because that is the power a judge has, see how that works there (we call this civilisation, even if I DO disagree with that)
ryg: What slux said. Get your facts right before ranting.
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right to be free from racial or religious discrimination or his right not to be tortured, then that person has some pretty skewed priorities.
and yes, our "priorities" do differ from those in Darfur, or Palestine because we are a supposedly a relatively advanced civilization who've progressed beyond the need to focus on basic racial and/or religious freedoms.
thanks to Oftel in the UK, ISPs are actually abliged to provide internet service to all interested customers able to pay, unless they can legally prove wrong doing by the customer. I'm sure ISPs have suspended people's provision, but they wouldn't dare do that unless they were certain they had a strong legal case and proof of wrong doing because they'd get their arses sued, and rightly so.
you see, many people DO actually view the provision of services and information as a legal and human right. despite your skewed perception. and as has already been stated, no corporate company has the right to proclaim themselves judge & jury when it comes to the provision of the services they provide to the general public. thank you not so very much!
slux/eebliss: and where did i state that the ISPs (or the content mafia) were supposed to decide this themselves? of course they're not supposed to do any kind of law enforcement work. and that's a big problem.
but that's not what these cartoons are talking about. making your own video using e.g. copyrighted music has absolutely nothing to do with human rights no matter how you slice it. i care about this precisely because i think there needs to be a sensible solution to this problem, and when the main proponents of copyright reform ignore all the million reasonable arguments and instead claim "it's our human right!", they are seriously hurting the cause, not helping it. you need to convince the people that just don't care either way, and this kind of extremism is discrediting the whole movement.
and, hello, correct, human rights are supposed to be the absolute minimum standard that we expect from any kind of civilized society, which is precisely why there should be nothing in there that doesn't have a clear consensus and base of support in our society. human rights are a great way of codifying that minimum standard so that it can be upheld, but adding current controversial issues to them would actually dilute their power, which i think would be a profoundly dangerous move.
these are issues that need to be dealt with, some at a civil level (like copyright and patent reform) and some at a constitutional level (privacy and information freedom), but human rights have nothing to do with it.
but that's not what these cartoons are talking about. making your own video using e.g. copyrighted music has absolutely nothing to do with human rights no matter how you slice it. i care about this precisely because i think there needs to be a sensible solution to this problem, and when the main proponents of copyright reform ignore all the million reasonable arguments and instead claim "it's our human right!", they are seriously hurting the cause, not helping it. you need to convince the people that just don't care either way, and this kind of extremism is discrediting the whole movement.
and, hello, correct, human rights are supposed to be the absolute minimum standard that we expect from any kind of civilized society, which is precisely why there should be nothing in there that doesn't have a clear consensus and base of support in our society. human rights are a great way of codifying that minimum standard so that it can be upheld, but adding current controversial issues to them would actually dilute their power, which i think would be a profoundly dangerous move.
these are issues that need to be dealt with, some at a civil level (like copyright and patent reform) and some at a constitutional level (privacy and information freedom), but human rights have nothing to do with it.
ryg: you mentioned the right to be educated as a fundamental human right, there is a corollary one that is the source of more democracy all over the world : the right to be informed. The more information will be spread, the less corporations and governments will be able to manipulate the people. The net is becoming a massive vector of free information and knowledge, i'm convinced that it will bring back power to the people! i call that webocracy, a direct democracy that will counterbalance failing representative democracy, in so far elites can't be trusted in the long term.
nowadays is the net service almost as fundamental as electricity or water, it is essential to be integrated into our society, to pay taxes, to declare official papers, and to search jobs!
a corporation shouldn't be able to cut off your information access off, simply because they think their monopolies are endangered. As said by others the process has to go through the justice system, so that you get a fair trial and the right to defense yourself. Or else you'll have to undergo an unfair oligarchy.
personally i'm so happy that the majors are making less money, i actually advocate their deathes! i believe in direct support to local music scene, web artists, and short distribution circuits.
if we are to talk about the videogames industry, exactly what eblis said! steam, DLC, XBLA and such are great soluces, and they would be even greater if less money goes to publishers / manufacturer giants and more to developers.
nowadays is the net service almost as fundamental as electricity or water, it is essential to be integrated into our society, to pay taxes, to declare official papers, and to search jobs!
a corporation shouldn't be able to cut off your information access off, simply because they think their monopolies are endangered. As said by others the process has to go through the justice system, so that you get a fair trial and the right to defense yourself. Or else you'll have to undergo an unfair oligarchy.
personally i'm so happy that the majors are making less money, i actually advocate their deathes! i believe in direct support to local music scene, web artists, and short distribution circuits.
if we are to talk about the videogames industry, exactly what eblis said! steam, DLC, XBLA and such are great soluces, and they would be even greater if less money goes to publishers / manufacturer giants and more to developers.
seriously, there's a quite simple soluce to current copyright hell, far more peaceful and fairer than the upcoming oppressive net police system managed by corporations : it's called global license, every net user would pay a small fee that would be redistributed to leeched authors, like... the current working system used by radios.
BURN THE RED SWINE!!!!
ryg. that was the gist i got from what you wrote. I agree some solution has to be found, and giving the mafia legal powers is surely not it.
ryg. that was the gist i got from what you wrote. I agree some solution has to be found, and giving the mafia legal powers is surely not it.
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but that's not what these cartoons are talking about.
But it IS exactly what they are talking about.
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that's why we need the power to ban you from the internet - because our copyrights are worth more than your human rights!
people using the law as a moral base are rather annoying
regarding "warez": I think this whole "you copied you, you would have bought it" rationale is totally moot. it's almost like saying: "you saw it at a friends place, you would have bought it".
Sometimes I wish that it would really be technically impossible to run/watch/hear any copyrighted material (unless you bought it). That would really push e.g. the open source or the free art scene (or at least more clever distribution channels than the (expensive) "major" ones. . steam for example worked quite nice for me, too)
I have the impressions that (some) "warez" are in a way tolerated by the industry because it is a nice for-free marketing tool.
Unfortunately they (warez) hurt smaller companies quite a lot and that's why I have a virtually warez-free OS install here.
Ever wondered why, for example, copies of Microsoft Windows work so well ?
If it were impossible to crack (and I guess it could be done if that really would be their intention), how would that contribute to the popularity of "alternative" OSs..
Well, "IMHO".
Sometimes I wish that it would really be technically impossible to run/watch/hear any copyrighted material (unless you bought it). That would really push e.g. the open source or the free art scene (or at least more clever distribution channels than the (expensive) "major" ones. . steam for example worked quite nice for me, too)
I have the impressions that (some) "warez" are in a way tolerated by the industry because it is a nice for-free marketing tool.
Unfortunately they (warez) hurt smaller companies quite a lot and that's why I have a virtually warez-free OS install here.
Ever wondered why, for example, copies of Microsoft Windows work so well ?
If it were impossible to crack (and I guess it could be done if that really would be their intention), how would that contribute to the popularity of "alternative" OSs..
Well, "IMHO".
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nowadays is the net service almost as fundamental as electricity or water
These are not human rights, either. Should we also add them to the list ?
hermes: specially if you consider that many warez sceners do it for the thrill of being able to do it, for the leet feeling and their helpless collectionitis...
some crackers / warez groups may be more interested into some specific software because of their hobbies or jobs, they may crack a software because they wanted to use it freely, but it's clearly more an issue of being curious and dominating the software than a real need to use that software : let's face reality, except for some very expensive professional tools it's often far easier to buy the software you *really* need than to spend hours cracking it without the sure confidence to get a 100% working soluce.
p2p has democratized warez and changed the overall deal, it was inevitable, and to my mind i think that's finally a good thing, in so far as nowadays teens have quite an easy access to many powerful tools in order to learn and be creative, and to a large choice of cultural products for their own culture, may their parents be rich or not :)
some crackers / warez groups may be more interested into some specific software because of their hobbies or jobs, they may crack a software because they wanted to use it freely, but it's clearly more an issue of being curious and dominating the software than a real need to use that software : let's face reality, except for some very expensive professional tools it's often far easier to buy the software you *really* need than to spend hours cracking it without the sure confidence to get a 100% working soluce.
p2p has democratized warez and changed the overall deal, it was inevitable, and to my mind i think that's finally a good thing, in so far as nowadays teens have quite an easy access to many powerful tools in order to learn and be creative, and to a large choice of cultural products for their own culture, may their parents be rich or not :)