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sander, i didn't get that last part - i know plenty sceners with good people skills. how does being able to push some asm down some pipeline have anything to do with that?

optimus: just dont make your recruiters inclined to google "optimus + pouet" ;)

@Skrebbel, you know it's a common joke :)

ehh i still don't get it :)

skrebbel: it's comparable to one's unix skills.. which suposedly are inversely proportional to the likelihood of having a girlfriend.

hmm yeah ok, i'm starting to get there :-)
maybe these things were more commonplace when we were all 17 year old shy nerds.

skrebbel is all "duuuudes, I'm 18 now!"

"18 and a half!!!"

Haha, I actually have something like that on my resume. Something like "I've been a participant of the so-called 'demoscene'. A group of people making realtime computer art yada yada blabber".

Never mention nicks or groups though, why would you? They don't care anyway. (All though at the first day of my recent job, when I sent out an e-mail saying hi to everybody, one of the non-sceners came in and said "So wait, your name is actually not really Okkie?" :))

Jah I have something almost identical. It doesn't do any harm to mention that you've attended "conferences" (parties) and entered competitions around Europe either.

If your a scener at heart and you're talking about the demoscene during an interview, you now have a valid reason to convey enthousiasm and passion.
Recruiters hire people who are honestly motivated.

Just don't mention you nick. If he/she doesn't know the scene : well you can briefly talk about it and by doing that you're taking the lead. The other person is supposed to have a higher position than you (that is why he is intervieweing you and not the other way around). You completly turn the table if you're involved in something worldwide and they don't even know it's existence.

Like the New World Order you mean? :D

If you have a proper website about your persona that can be shown to recruiters, add the address so they have a better picture of what a "demonstration scene" is. That way at least they know it's not a political thing...

I don't mention the demoscene by name, but some stuff (mostly unreleased though) I show off in the "past projects/work sampling" part. :)

As I scener I'm obviously biased, but from my employer point of view:

You should mention the demoscene, what you do in it, and how great the scene is. Simply because you are showing PASSION, and if you are going to get some kind of IT-related job, it even shows you've got a personal passion on something IT-related. Employers don't take this for granted, and it's not at all common. These days the biggest chunk of people seeking IT jobs don't give a fuck about computers really, but are in it for the money only. If you are in it for the money AND the passion, you've just made it to the top selection.

Oh and yeah, no need to mention your handle or group names. But calling the demoscene what it is sure is ok.

good point there. reminds me how sharky^flaming marshmellows, who runs a small sw company, told me that he prefers to hire sceners, because they actually like coding. i'm noticing this more and more myself as well - i never imagined the amount of professional programmers out there who don't actually love coding! what the hell? why become a software engineer if you don't like software engineering? even if you have ambitions beyond being yet another codehorse, how can sw development be your dream job if you don't dig coding? or am i just so lucky that i have an interest that's actually worth a salary?

it still puzzles me. so yes, if this situation is the same everywhere, showing that you have a software development related passion is a good one :-)

Damn right son, if you were interested in history or philosophy instead, you would make fuck all and had to work flipping burgers at McD's ;D

yeah ok, that's the other extreme. but people knowingly studying computer science for 5 years? and then knowingly searching for an IT job? wouldn't it be so weird to assume they enjoy doing IT?

you're a nice example actually. you studied IT, and then decided that you *didn't* like coding. so you searched for other jobs - that makes some sense, no? i really wonder why half my former classmates have not done the same.

If you're "in it for the money", there are dozens of professions with better paychecks.

I happen know that garbage men in the Netherlands make a ridiculous salary.

on an artists cv demoscene works are pretty good to mention.

tomaes: true. but there are far more jobs that are LESS good paid. And there are quite a lot of people out there. For the job interviews I do (and this is pre-selected, and our company surely does IT stuff) there is a big percentage of people who are rather old (worked for IBM or whatever), (which itself is not an issue), but have stopped learning new stuff on a daily basis years ago (which IS an issue for what we do), and another big group of people who (possibly with a degree) started doing IT stuff just years ago. Like, you are sitting in front of someone who's 25 and has bought his first computer freakin 5 years ago. And then there is a small group of people who actually do computer/coding-related stuff since their childhood, want to learn learn and learn, and wish to keep cutting edge because it's FUN for them.

Yeah, sure, sceners may have their disadvantages (possibly hard to integrate, possibly might people in charge look like a amateurs), but it sure doesn't hurt to mention the advantages a scener brings to a company.

*dramatic chord playing*

i wouldnt recruit sceners. they spend too much time on pouet which is bad for the productivity of the company.

maali: just because you spend too much time here doesn't mean that everybody else does too ;)