Brokepoint - Breakpoint 2009 is in danger and needs YOUR support
category: general [glöplog]
I fail to see the logic in organizers of other/smaller parties are giving free entrance if visitors have bought an expensive ticket to breakpoint. Obviously you are taking the money from the other visitors and therefore raising their ticket prices. Ie, you are increasing the cost for people who cannot afford to buy an expensive supporter ticket for another party.
Not that it isn't nice to help breakpoint, but it really doesn't make any sense.
About the bus shuttle: Why not take say extra 20 € for visitors wanting the shuttle service.
Not that it isn't nice to help breakpoint, but it really doesn't make any sense.
About the bus shuttle: Why not take say extra 20 € for visitors wanting the shuttle service.
Amy: how may people do you REALLY think will use 250 euros to get a "free" ticket for a small party? - do you really think that this would have an impact on the small party if one (maybe two) people get in for free?... come on!
amy: For smaller parties giving these free tickets actually may have a positive affect - more sceners from different countries might join their party, possibly bringing friends who then have to pay.
About the bus shuttle: Quite simple - if people would have to pay for the shuttle, many would not use it, but instead use their car to drive to the hotels or for shopping, possibly doing this drunk, causing additional noise on holy easter, resulting in complaints from people living around the location, causing the police to show up, causing the police to generate trouble for us.
The free shuttle is a key factor in not getting locals and the police pissed.
About the bus shuttle: Quite simple - if people would have to pay for the shuttle, many would not use it, but instead use their car to drive to the hotels or for shopping, possibly doing this drunk, causing additional noise on holy easter, resulting in complaints from people living around the location, causing the police to show up, causing the police to generate trouble for us.
The free shuttle is a key factor in not getting locals and the police pissed.
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Obviously you are taking the money from the other visitors and therefore raising their ticket prices. Ie, you are increasing the cost for people who cannot afford to buy an expensive supporter ticket for another party.
Rubbish. It's an incentive for people to go for the more expensive "ticket" at Breakpoint, while at the same time giving an incentive to come to the smaller parties -- after all, you have the ticket now. There will be no price increase for others attending Solskogen because of this. Think of it as distributed wealth -- socialism if you will. :)
I wont be changing the prices for Sundown at all, I'm just doing this to help Breakpoint.
Scene spirit, yo.
Scene spirit, yo.
I'll buy one expensive ticket for breakpoint, and get three small parties for free!! Think about all the money I'll save!!!1
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Rubbish. It's an incentive for people to go for the more expensive "ticket" at Breakpoint, while at the same time giving an incentive to come to the smaller parties -- after all, you have the ticket now. There will be no price increase for others attending Solskogen because of this. Think of it as distributed wealth -- socialism if you will. :)
So you are in no need for visitor fees? If you do - you have seriously fucked up in understand how wealth are created. Just because Swedes pay high taxes doesn't mean we should have free care in Hungary. Or any other country.
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About the bus shuttle: Quite simple - if people would have to pay for the shuttle, many would not use it, but instead use their car to drive to the hotels or for shopping, possibly doing this drunk, causing additional noise on holy easter, resulting in complaints from people living around the location, causing the police to show up, causing the police to generate trouble for us.
I am not really sure how no bus shuttle would help you more than one that costs as much as one day with taxi rides. Besides, do you have such huge problem with drunk driving in Germany? I never heard of anyone doing this at Scandinavian parties.
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I'll buy one expensive ticket for breakpoint, and get three small parties for free!! Think about all the money I'll save!!!1
I am not sure who you are mocking here. The organizers of smaller parties who might try to do some personal-pr or the fact I am pointing out that if you give people free entrance you are decreasing your incomes.
No, it's the fact that the free entrance offers for smaller parties are a symbolic gesture of support and an extra push for dedicated sceners to buy the ticket.
Have you ever even been to a demoparty?
Have you ever even been to a demoparty?
Maybe a lame idea, but how about scene.org or another common scene organization go to www.23monkeys.com (or simular site) and make a BROKEPOINT t-shirt, and hook it up to the paypal account that goes to donating cash to BP.
23monkeys only give you 5 USD for each t-shirt you sell, so I guess the amount wouldnt add up to that much. But maybe there are better services around that can offer a higher income value(?)
23monkeys only give you 5 USD for each t-shirt you sell, so I guess the amount wouldnt add up to that much. But maybe there are better services around that can offer a higher income value(?)
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No, it's the fact that the free entrance offers for smaller parties are a symbolic gesture of support and an extra push for dedicated sceners to buy the ticket.
For most small parties I know, giving away free entrance would be more than a symbolic gesture.
Just donated via paypal.
I demand a realtime progress bar.
I demand a realtime progress bar.
Scamp, at first thanx for trying to save the party even in those critical times. The important newsletters are informed (f.e. heise.de) and the PayPAL-Account feeded :) We get the thing running. No doubt'bout that.
great to see the meter moving so much in such a short time.
A question: why do the bands cost 3keur? is all of it equipment rent otherwise not usable at the party (drum kits, microphones etc) or what?
A question: why do the bands cost 3keur? is all of it equipment rent otherwise not usable at the party (drum kits, microphones etc) or what?
you guys just made ME donate... dude, I hardly donate for anything these days. Specially not in euros (1 EUR = 4.4 ARS!). I hope you do get the party network. I any case I'm glad the progress bar is up to a place where BP09 is going to be held in the first place.
Amy Diamond: I prefer to see the free entry to e.g. Solskogen as a helping hand from that party - and since Solskogen has a much smaller economic overhead, they can afford it (I am going btw, love Solskogen) :)
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since Solskogen has a much smaller economic overhead, they can afford it
They also have a smaller budget, with smaller margins.
Amy: I'm mocking you, for sure. I don't believe a lot of the people who willingly pay 250 EUR for a breakpoint-ticket isn't the kind of people who try to run small parties out of business. I look at these "free entrance"-thingies more as PR-opportunities for smaller parties; they might just end up getting more sceners to visit. And there's possibly a synergy effect here also.
lug00ber: that's true, but again, how many people do you think will show up at Solskogen with a 250 euro supporter ticket? :)
If there's more than 2 I'll be quite amazed :)
If there's more than 2 I'll be quite amazed :)
Entrance is free, exit costs 50 euros.
farfar: actually i'm pretty sure solskogen can't afford it.. so in the end any reduced income from this will come out of glooms pockets. which in my opnion is a) a huge risk but b) damn respectful of gloom.
and puryx: I know at least 3 people already, so be amazed ;)
and puryx: I know at least 3 people already, so be amazed ;)
leija: damnit! - but it still doesn't undermine the whole party ;) - which was my actual point.
uncle-x: It's some equipment rent (you don't want to know how expensive that drum kit we got for Bendik was :) but first of all flights+accomodation+food. Think eg. of PPOT - that's six people from .dk plus instruments in the most expensive hotel because the others are already completely booked out by party guests. :)
Oh by the way, speaking of bands.
If anyone has any good recommendations for acts that would play at BP without costing us that much money, contact us (or me for that matter). We're very open for suggestions.
If anyone has any good recommendations for acts that would play at BP without costing us that much money, contact us (or me for that matter). We're very open for suggestions.
I went to see Escape Hawaii last Auzgust and liked him... He has a nice plastic Casio keyboard and an Gameboy and the music is danceable.
303f was awesome... but i heard the don't play at demoparties anymore?
