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and this justifies it...how exactly?
It doesn't. But it relates to the question of whether pollution is the fault of trans-national corporations. It's like blaming McD for obesity. Yes, McD is one of many enablers of obesity, but A) they don't force the food down anyone's throat and B) because they don't, to protect consumers against it would be to deny them the right to choose where to eat.
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Greed in trans-nation corporations is why we have a financial crisis, so you are entirely wrong on this point.
No, you implied that trans-nationals CAUSE greed. And they do not. If anything it's the other way around, but it still doesn't follow from that relationship that greed OR capitalism is bad.
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they perfected the propaganda that tells people what they want to ask for. brilliant how you just shifted responsability for the development of this level of greed there
Again with "they".. everything has been manipulated so that you're not actually responsible for helping to fuck up the planet. And I'm the one shifting the responsibility? You have a choice, and so does everyone else. Well, at least the privileged few of us in the free world. Our failure to use that power is a separate issue.
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death? i have no idea what this is about because it reflects on no oppinion i have.
No, the word for that is communism. It may not reflect your opinion but if you have a problem with consumerism, how would you propose to eliminate it without removing choice? There IS the other option of trying to encourage political consumption, but if everyone made the "right choice", where would the problem with big corporations be? However big they are, they'd be driven to always do "the right thing" because that would be the only way to make money. And so greed would be a good thing.
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The USSR had never been if it hadnt been for big business, you do understand this right?
The USSR was corrupt and the former Soviet countries still are. The argument tends to go that this is an inevitable result of oversized government. Of course you'd like to live in a world not halfway destroyed for petty gain, and I'd like a massive nob and a jetpack. The question is how to arrive at that better world, and the questionnarie in quesiton is about the different takes on achieving what everyone wants.
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the same can be said about the people who grow cocaine, herione poppies, hashish and all kinds of other illegal materials. It is better that they grow drugs (well actually...IT IS) than go starving, but it is hardly related to the attitude our societies has adopted on the outside. RIGHTS; WORKERS RIGHTS; CHILDRENS RIGHTS (if they live here mind you)....bolshtoi!
No, it's not the same thing at all. Take away those jobs and you undermine the mafias and you probably gain something from that. But take away the jobs of legitimate child workers in the far east and you're only forcing those children into the hands of the mafia, the militias, child prostitution rings, and so on. Employing children in factories IS the lesser evil. For now,
It's like when you have a fever, and the raised body temperature is actually part of the immune system's response to an infection. Trying to cure the fever will only make everything worse.
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so what prevented the trans-national corporation from not doing those kinds of hurtful trading, and on such a large scale? nothing but greed obviously.
Yeah that's where governments are actually needed. And consumers have a say, too. If you don't like what a given company is doing, give your money to some other company. Or make a dress out of it.
Of course, mostly companies don't do that at all, because they're run by people. Often not the best people but still people. So there's a number of things standing in the way of large corporations oppressing poor innocent people, but most importantly there's the majority of consumers and the real, actual final say that they have, even if they don't often want to use that power because it's just so much easier not to bother.
ANYWAY, the point was just that yes, you can actually BELIEVE that trans-national corporations and humanity have shared interests. They're not "out to enslave us", and if it weren't for a number of other factors (such as corrupt politicians and indifferent consumers and so on) then the interests of great big corporations would mesh perfectly with those of humanity overall. So the questionnaire is stupid for starting off at the very beginning with this dichotomy that makes no sense to right libertarians. (In actual fact it's the green square that's absurd, but forget it..)
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Bioshock/Fallout 3 style desk lamp? (aka 50's)
I want! :D
[quote]A) they don't force the food down anyone's throa[/quote[]
I think you are wrong, and here is why (PR)
....The breakfast ad budget has been estimated to be in the nine-figure range, but McDonald's does not confirm those details. ()and this only numbers for the US)
yes they do, look around you, the current crisis is the direct result of this, as were the last, and the one before, and they pop up ca. every 10 years or so like a cycle. Enron was put on it's knees due to uncontrolled greed. it is why they cannot trade fairly without being forced and threatened with punishment, they have one interrest and one interrest alone. It is why they prefer to steal land from locals rather than pay for it. It is nothing but greed, and it has become every mans property after the advent of massive advertisment (as introduced by large international coprs, high on Berneys ideas)
*asshole, and properbly insane too.
[quote]how would you propose to eliminate it without removing choice?[/citat]
more freedom, if a large corporation near to me is destroying my habitat, I want the right to attack it with peers as the obvious enemy it is. If there is a large company not doing so, I wouldnt mind it. When their choice infringe on my health, I have a right to defend myself, even fiercely...if it was a reasonable world ofcourse. Because where is my choice to be free of this?
do you use strong medication? greed is actually a good thing, what the...? If it was driven by the best interrest for all, it is not driven by greed is it?
I dont give care about what other people wants, I want them to stay away from me with their shitty systems of governing, shallow stupifying rationalisation for why facism is the way to go (in both directions), thats all. you can sail you own fucking boat. I will not pay taxes, but I will pay for those things that I use that i actually ordered, i only trade with small local companies, and on a rare occasion I drink a coca cola or pepesi brand because that is all every restaurante serves..for some reason. Quite simple, what the rest of you do, is YOUR damn problem! All I am asking for is the right to say no to all of it.
ok..so you imagine the gambinis, or Jønke in the poppy field in ties and expensive Armani suits? ok....fair enough, I doubt that is the way it works tho.
*I assume that this is an AK81 member?
these guys are regular farmers with a problem. They can grow drugs and live, or they can grow food crops and die (because few can grow enough).
Why even chose an evil, why make it "our" problem to begin with. Why did we start to deal with them in the frist place after we realised how they do things in China etc? because of greed. The trans national could keep the prices high at home, and gain a much larger profit by using such disgusting methods, so they do. And all you are doing is parroting their shallow rationalisations why they should not stop.
this is the mother of dishonest arguments in this debate. The consumer is up against billion dollar propaganda campaigns made by the best of the mbest to manipulate their subconscious mind etc... yeah they have a choice to some degree, we agree on that. But most people are not smart, and watch a LOT of television, so it is dishonest to keep insisting that they have a full choice. Being targeted by what is essentially aggresive propaganda all day long when you are out, year in, and year out, does not lead to free choice. Bernays himself theorises why in : the Crystallizing Public Opinion.
http://www.amazon.com/Crystallizing-Public-Opinion-Edward-Bernays/dp/1417915080
thats nice, it has however been demonstrated beyond a doubt that it is a fantasy. A nice one, but a fantasy nonetheless. The only shared interrests these companies have with anyone, is the large shareholders.
flaslight, I have 2 of those still packed in a box in the cellar, I think. So if you are serious about it I can go look for them...
I think you are wrong, and here is why (PR)
....The breakfast ad budget has been estimated to be in the nine-figure range, but McDonald's does not confirm those details. ()and this only numbers for the US)
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No, you implied that trans-nationals CAUSE greed. And they do no
yes they do, look around you, the current crisis is the direct result of this, as were the last, and the one before, and they pop up ca. every 10 years or so like a cycle. Enron was put on it's knees due to uncontrolled greed. it is why they cannot trade fairly without being forced and threatened with punishment, they have one interrest and one interrest alone. It is why they prefer to steal land from locals rather than pay for it. It is nothing but greed, and it has become every mans property after the advent of massive advertisment (as introduced by large international coprs, high on Berneys ideas)
*asshole, and properbly insane too.
[quote]how would you propose to eliminate it without removing choice?[/citat]
more freedom, if a large corporation near to me is destroying my habitat, I want the right to attack it with peers as the obvious enemy it is. If there is a large company not doing so, I wouldnt mind it. When their choice infringe on my health, I have a right to defend myself, even fiercely...if it was a reasonable world ofcourse. Because where is my choice to be free of this?
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And so greed would be a good thing.
do you use strong medication? greed is actually a good thing, what the...? If it was driven by the best interrest for all, it is not driven by greed is it?
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The USSR was corrupt and the former Soviet countries still are. The argument tends to go that this is an inevitable result of oversized government. Of course you'd like to live in a world not halfway destroyed for petty gain, and I'd like a massive nob and a jetpack. The question is how to arrive at that better world, and the questionnarie in quesiton is about the different takes on achieving what everyone wants.
I dont give care about what other people wants, I want them to stay away from me with their shitty systems of governing, shallow stupifying rationalisation for why facism is the way to go (in both directions), thats all. you can sail you own fucking boat. I will not pay taxes, but I will pay for those things that I use that i actually ordered, i only trade with small local companies, and on a rare occasion I drink a coca cola or pepesi brand because that is all every restaurante serves..for some reason. Quite simple, what the rest of you do, is YOUR damn problem! All I am asking for is the right to say no to all of it.
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No, it's not the same thing at all. Take away those jobs and you undermine the mafias and you probably gain something from that
ok..so you imagine the gambinis, or Jønke in the poppy field in ties and expensive Armani suits? ok....fair enough, I doubt that is the way it works tho.
*I assume that this is an AK81 member?
these guys are regular farmers with a problem. They can grow drugs and live, or they can grow food crops and die (because few can grow enough).
Why even chose an evil, why make it "our" problem to begin with. Why did we start to deal with them in the frist place after we realised how they do things in China etc? because of greed. The trans national could keep the prices high at home, and gain a much larger profit by using such disgusting methods, so they do. And all you are doing is parroting their shallow rationalisations why they should not stop.
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And consumers have a say, too.
this is the mother of dishonest arguments in this debate. The consumer is up against billion dollar propaganda campaigns made by the best of the mbest to manipulate their subconscious mind etc... yeah they have a choice to some degree, we agree on that. But most people are not smart, and watch a LOT of television, so it is dishonest to keep insisting that they have a full choice. Being targeted by what is essentially aggresive propaganda all day long when you are out, year in, and year out, does not lead to free choice. Bernays himself theorises why in : the Crystallizing Public Opinion.
http://www.amazon.com/Crystallizing-Public-Opinion-Edward-Bernays/dp/1417915080
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the point was just that yes, you can actually BELIEVE that trans-national corporations and humanity have shared interests
thats nice, it has however been demonstrated beyond a doubt that it is a fantasy. A nice one, but a fantasy nonetheless. The only shared interrests these companies have with anyone, is the large shareholders.
flaslight, I have 2 of those still packed in a box in the cellar, I think. So if you are serious about it I can go look for them...
doom, besides...the politicalcompass test is biased on everything in all directions, and quite obviously it is useless for anything else than pouetizing a thread with...I think we agree fundamentally on a lot of things, or that is my impression.
cool. "search: political CUMpas"
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she real purty..
cool. "search: political CUMpas"
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she real purty..too much non-images in random image thread!
Take your wannabe-political bullshit elsewhere and post random pics!
