poll: dx10 or good old 9 ?
category: general [glöplog]
i don't have anything against people using vista of course, but i myself had very very bad experiences with it. see i am an embedded software developer, and i am sick of random drivers crashing, plug & pray not working, not being able to run flashers properly, etc...
of course most of these are related to the developers of those softwares, but no one can tell me Vista is a hello-kitty squiggly cutie here. what about the "signed drivers-only" policy of vista x64?
in any case, as a close-to-the-metal developer vista really doesn't help me the tiniest bit. i wish it was more developer friendly.
of course most of these are related to the developers of those softwares, but no one can tell me Vista is a hello-kitty squiggly cutie here. what about the "signed drivers-only" policy of vista x64?
in any case, as a close-to-the-metal developer vista really doesn't help me the tiniest bit. i wish it was more developer friendly.
I mean the HP laptop came with completely broken sound. The drivers just didn't work at all. AT ALL. Straight out of the factory, and it was labelled a "multimedia" computer. I updated drivers, it's ok now. What the hell !?!? Nobody tests these things anymore ?
Use Linux.
navis: if you ever buy a pc from hp or dell (probably applies to the others too), first thing you should do is format it. The default install they do is generally crap, and if it's a consumer one they like to install a horde of "FREE! trial" crap that's a nightmare to uninstall and leaves it running slow and unstable.
again, maybe ive been incredibly lucky but my dell laptop worked great out of the box - once i turned off the usual UAC, google toolbar etc.
pete: so which would you recommend on linux, dx9 or dx10? :)
psonice, they only give you restore DVDs that give you no choice but to install all the crap all over again so unless you have a standalone Vista disk you're screwed. Even the Linux Dell ship with some laptops is a molested version of Ubuntu with "Google Toolbar" and other cretinous things.
smash, for Decipher I meant!
is dx10 supported by wine at all? could be an option to use that if it is :)
pete: ah true. I have an unofficial disk to get around that ;)
pete: ah true. I have an unofficial disk to get around that ;)
I'm in the OpenGL 2/3 camp for the time being.
However,.. Moving to DX10 is quite tempting as the grass is always greener on the other side :)
However,.. Moving to DX10 is quite tempting as the grass is always greener on the other side :)
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I make demos for my own sake, and so does everybody else.
What rubbish. :) You and I both know that this simply isn't true. The demoscene is a giant pissing contest, it's about showing off, about impressing others, about sitting in front of the big screen in eager anticipation for your entry to start and to feel that tingling feeling when it gets a big applause. Nobody makes demos "for their own sake", and if they do they could probably just do something else, since it completely misses the point of the demoscene :)
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Use Linux.
Yes, let's use something that's even less common than Vista, what a splendid idea. :)
smash, same here, just bought a new laptop from hp and i didnt need to uninstall anything. it works perfect. i don't think im more lucky then anyone else tho, this is my 5th laptop and they have all worked great.
gloom: well, yeah ofcourse, you explain the addiction! But yeah, that statement was a tad unclear. My point was that I can easily choose my toolchain - platform independently of main audience, as long as it complies with the comporules. As kusma said, people are used to watch vidcaps.
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Quote:What rubbish! :)I make demos for my own sake
Why not make demos for your own sake?!?!
The big-screens, pissing-contests and girls are just perks :)
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What rubbish. :) You and I both know that this simply isn't true. The demoscene is a giant pissing contest, it's about showing off, about impressing others, about sitting in front of the big screen in eager anticipation for your entry to start and to feel that tingling feeling when it gets a big applause. Nobody makes demos "for their own sake", and if they do they could probably just do something else, since it completely misses the point of the demoscene :)
I think you're just wrong here. Realtime programmed visuals are just one medium for having fun and expressing yourself, nothing less and nothing more. Some people (like myself, for example) prefer it to other mediums, for various reasons. And you're right, most people inclined towards art probably just do pick an another, easier way to do stuff.
But of course, individual's motive(s) depend on the individual. Maybe someone somewhere makes demos just to win compos.
preacher: I don't know about anybody else, but when I discovered the demoscene it was all about "if you can't do it better why do it" and impressing the audience. I think it's statements like your's that make certain people say "the scene is dead".
please don't get me wrong: It's perfectly fine for people to do their stuff just for fun. But this will never be the same scene that it was intended to be.
please don't get me wrong: It's perfectly fine for people to do their stuff just for fun. But this will never be the same scene that it was intended to be.
Well, I'm happy to have been a part in killing the scene. I think I'll continue killing it by making a demo for Breakpoint.
now that would just be amazing! let's all kill the scene by making a demo for breakpoint.
making demos for bp which can't be done better ;-) (untill the next bp)
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I think I'll continue killing it by making a demo for Breakpoint.
That would be very much appreciated! (sorry for going off-topic)
my point was: doing demos for whatever reason is fine - but I think we need much more demos that push limits (not just art or fun stuff). and if this requires using dx10 - fine with me.
From a historical point of view, there have always been discussions when and when to upgrade to what with pro's and contra's
There also has been a competition element in making demos next to the own satisfaction in making it or to be the best. Some sceners are more driven by one than the other.. And not forgetting the average scene age has gone up immensely. A changing factor in what drives sceners in creating demoscene productions. So all I can say every production should be looked at with respect made by the elite or by lamers (to use some terms from the old days)
Preacher: looking forward to your new demo. The first one since last breakpoint if I am not mistaken..
There also has been a competition element in making demos next to the own satisfaction in making it or to be the best. Some sceners are more driven by one than the other.. And not forgetting the average scene age has gone up immensely. A changing factor in what drives sceners in creating demoscene productions. So all I can say every production should be looked at with respect made by the elite or by lamers (to use some terms from the old days)
Preacher: looking forward to your new demo. The first one since last breakpoint if I am not mistaken..
jar: excellent, will you have it done for breakpoint? :D
i don't think there's ever been one particular view of the scene like that really, not unless you were only looking at one particular corner of the scene.
i don't think there's ever been one particular view of the scene like that really, not unless you were only looking at one particular corner of the scene.
hang on.... will the bp compo machine support dx10? :)
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jar: excellent, will you have it done for breakpoint? :D
This is exactly what I was thinking :)
My point basically was: You either do stuff or you don't. If you want some kind of stuff to be done, instead of complaining about the scene being dead, you should do it yourself. Whether's it's an epic 15-minute trip to white noise or trance and metaballs doesn't really matter, each to his or her own.