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trace: if _anyone_ in silicon produced it then I'm pretty damn sure it can be legitimately classed as a demo-prod. Silicon were awesome on the Amiga! :)

I think, it's just what okkie said... pedantic dicks.

but yet, there still does need to be some boundaries. otherwise things become a mess with no direction. difficult drawing those lines.

trace: but does it contribute to the demoscene if it's added?

Just add it and wait to see if people thumb it up :)







... might not be a good idea :)

Anyways, we've reached the point where you can capture any demo to a video wich will most likely be played using less CPU time. So... the classical demo as it was on 8- and 16-bit platforms is no more interesting. What is left is either
- add extra constraints (size, realtime code, or whatever)
- focus more on art and design and forgot the technical aspect,
- stay on 8 or 16-bit machine and don't care about all this stuff
- explore new platforms/techniques (microcontrollers demos, but flash may also belong to that)

If something fits in one of these, i think you have a demoscene thing. However, the more you go the art&design way, the more you'll have problems to draw the limit with other kinds of computer-assisted art (i'm thinking videos done with some 3d tool, but other things probalby exist)

Maybe a good demo just finds the right balance between artistic and technical things. Maybe a bad demo fails at one of them, or at both. Anyways, the balance for that seems quite subjective, so it's hard to say when you're outside the boundaries.

Then, there is a lot of thing around these demos wich is demoscene-RELATED, but not demoscene itself. Do you want all that to also be on pouet ?

@Gargaj:

It certainly won't kill the demoscene.

I miss the days of the french artists. Condense, Bomb, Syndrome, Orion... It was good for a change of trying to do the same effects again and again, some graphics and some style. I think it enriches the demoscene, otherwise we'll get stuck on shaded polygons.

From my point of view, demos need to have creativity, style and humour. That's what makes TBC special. And by baning this kind of prods you're frustrating people trying to input some creativity.

That flash demo/animation/whatever looked good, I would have no problem with it on pouet. However, I see a possible problem about it; that way things like a Happy Tree Friends chapter would be also added to pouet - by being an animation, non interactive and done in flash also.

So well, the intention of the author is the most important thing I suppose. If it was created with demoscene in mind, then it is demoscene.

If it was released to mainstream and the author have not added it directly to pouet, then it probably should not be here.

About if a demoscene prod should be downloable: no.

texel just gave the new demo criteria..."if it's not released on Pouet, it's not a demo"! Ultimate Pouet demoscene dictatorship :)

By the way gargaj, the question is the topic is wrong. That wasn't a flash website, that was a flash demo (or a flash animation), but not a flash website. If you wanna know what a flash website is, you have a couple here.

Indeed, it's a nicely loaded question.

better nuke those BITS shits )

there is a chance that its a prod if these things are involved
- lowlevel knowledge
- skill
- greetings to popular groups/individuals
- author(s) have watched some of the famous demos
- author(s) have been to a demo party
- age is +25
- author(s) have classic .mod's in his music playlist

i believe demoscene spirit is more into flash website, not into your hands.

hf.

I missed the whole thing, but:

1) If it was a website made in Flash? Nuke it.
2) If it was a website? Nuke it.
3) If it was a demo made in Flash that you could download and run locally? That's okay.
4) If it was not a demo, but some weird stuff in Flash that you had to view online? Nuke it.

neoneye: the age is not a very good criteria, imho ( proof )

for a prod to be added it should be made for the demoscene or at least the author should have had the scene somehow in mind while making the prod.

src: i imagine people over the age of 25 to be more serious about what they do and less 4chan'ish.

Making sure that a prod has "demoscene relevance" of some kind before accepting it is a fine way to further marginalize demoscene into a niche hobby that at least I don't personally want to see it turning into. We do not need any more inbreeding, and a lot of the criteria suggested in this thread doesn't really apply to that many demoscene productions or creative demosceners either.

That said, the line has to be drawn somewhere, but where, I have no good suggestions. As for this particular production, I enjoyed it and have absolutely no problem calling it a demo or thumbing it up as one on pouet.net.

Looks like gargaj's topic title worked its magic then. It was as much a website as any other flash demo every done (ie. it wasn't a website).



Get a grip. What difference does it make if you watch it in your browser by clicking a link, or watch it in your browser by double clicking it on the desktop?

About as much difference as having to be online to watch something at Capped.tv or being able to run it on your computer whenever you like.

gloom scores.

tomorrow i'll add this:
http://dump.maali.nl/dickcream.swf*

*) my first (and only) creation with flash so bless me that the sync is off or that i nicked a piece of audio from okkie (timbaland told me to, i swear, he said it was a videogame) or that the photoshop sucks ass (i didnt use photoshop!) or that the website its referring got removed in 2005. all that is done deliberately back then to ruin the archival correctness of this marvellous scene related production!

ENJOY!

And this is of course completely relevant and necessary to keep in the database:

http://www.pouet.net/groups.php?which=10452

gloom, when was the last time you watched a demo on a machine with no internet access?

Rob, precisely. Furthermore, what maali linked would stay in the database if it was a PC executable as a "hilarious" joke prod. If it was added here, the only intention he would have in doing that is to piss everyone off, which really can't be said for the flash prod that was deleted.

gloom, the video analogy doesn't hold up either, assuming by "run it on your computer whenever you like" you're actually talking about an executable. The flash demo is the same online or offline.

hamburgrlr: Not that it's at all relevant to this discusion, but it was two months ago at the Kindergarden demoparty.

You are of course more than welcome to disagree (and I am more than welcome to ignore you), but IMO one of the cool things about demos is that they are self contained executables that you can put into a giant archive on your harddrive and have that available to you whenever you need to. You can put them into categories, or arrange your favourites in folders, or after group names or release party/year.

I watched the Flash animation now, and it was quite entertaining (for a few minutes, before it went into uninspired-direction-hell, as many of them do), but what I got from it was "Flash animation".. but then again I'm an old fart who likes demo-demos, so Okkie has leading. This is Pouet, not Vimeo.