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I'm honestly confused. what is the argument again, nvidia/apple killing the scene?
gloom: indeed! - also I still how that in any way could be a reply to my previous post about "lack of new sceners" - a point that I totally agree on!
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i'm just wondering where y'all guiding that train of yours..
what train am i supposed to be on, besides the outline train? afaik we're completely independent. it is quite bewildering to see you assume me to be part of some sort of conspiracy.
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who needs small parties anyways?
because the whooping attendance of 150 people (1/3 of them sceners at most), nvscene is such a fucking huge event.
small parties are pretty much essential
So are stooges.
puryx: oh and what immense quality releases we've seen out from trasc on the last years indeed.
indeed, they mean nothing to the gazillion quality releases we've seen at the inercia parties!
gloom: where im from sceners do both roles.
navis: more like hindering small events which are the main push of local scene communities. and the sporadic death of focus groups aint anything new, just wondering if the virtual / commercial new wave aint sucking more of that wind or not.
havoc: we're all on the scene train. did i accuse you of anything?
gargaj: no one is putting in the line the coolness of having a new small party in the US. just wondering if its worth 3 or 4 of them dying in the EU.
and again, its personal speculation from my behalf, feel free to disagree, but i guess eitherway we'll only see the results in a couple of years and i got plenty of beers down on the death of high quality releases of smaller parties and consequent temporary retirement.
and again, its nothing new that small/national parties in europe fluctuate alot in number and regularity (i guess they always have), but its kind of undeniable that there have been less in the late 2000's then in, oh lets say late 90's. global scene aint dying but i dont see how the local scene can be striving out of all the talent snatching to corporate virtualized compos.
just 2 cents really. i been known to be a pessimist ;) by all means do prove me wrong.
navis: more like hindering small events which are the main push of local scene communities. and the sporadic death of focus groups aint anything new, just wondering if the virtual / commercial new wave aint sucking more of that wind or not.
havoc: we're all on the scene train. did i accuse you of anything?
gargaj: no one is putting in the line the coolness of having a new small party in the US. just wondering if its worth 3 or 4 of them dying in the EU.
and again, its personal speculation from my behalf, feel free to disagree, but i guess eitherway we'll only see the results in a couple of years and i got plenty of beers down on the death of high quality releases of smaller parties and consequent temporary retirement.
and again, its nothing new that small/national parties in europe fluctuate alot in number and regularity (i guess they always have), but its kind of undeniable that there have been less in the late 2000's then in, oh lets say late 90's. global scene aint dying but i dont see how the local scene can be striving out of all the talent snatching to corporate virtualized compos.
just 2 cents really. i been known to be a pessimist ;) by all means do prove me wrong.
maali: are you seriously comparing the quality level of a nation that has been active since the 80s and always riding economic and educational high level to the one who only shyly peeked in the late nineties and has always had one of the shittiest educational systems in europe? i mean are you acting stupid or just posting for the sake of trolling? i can live with trolling but make it more obvious please, some people might take offense.
there hasnt been this many parties in europe for a long time, the netherlands has two, spain has three, france has FOUR, belgium has one, hungary has two, poland has two, list goes on.
so which 3-4 parties are dying? cite names please.
so which 3-4 parties are dying? cite names please.
france has three, i mean.
I can think of 4+ parties in Finland as well, but I guess we're part of SOVIET RUSSIA.
oh yes, spain is just swimming in parties filled with releases. and france, yes, defnitly, every french scener can confirm to all the awesome releases out on french parties this year. you really been keeping a very accurate track there!
marq: and the quality of their compos is just as awesome as 10 years ago.
it cant possibly be that all of you are suffering the "he's saying my party doesnt have great productions" syndrome, so i guess i truly am wrong about the state of the scene.
well thats good to know then. like, seriously.
lets see how many scene.org award nominations will come from prods released outside bp,asm,inteldemocompo,nvision then. :)
well thats good to know then. like, seriously.
lets see how many scene.org award nominations will come from prods released outside bp,asm,inteldemocompo,nvision then. :)
i was always taught to support your local scene first, but i guess i was wrong on that. and there is nothign wrong with that. except that the local oldfarts get demotivated and die off, and the newbies get demotivated and die off. but well, scene will never die. ^_^ and necrophilia isnt all that bad anyways, makes us look more alternative and all. ^_^ chicks love that.
bless the gods they made you male, you'd likely be a quick victim of domestic violence with that attitude. (still might be, though.) also, i refuse to accept quality supervision from someone who made a "serious" demo and lost to rob is jarig.
I'd say that any party that contributed to an excellent release is just, well probably more, as important as the party where it was released.
How often have you seen the excellent demo being visualized in 3dsmax or whatever at the party where it was released?
How often have you seen the excellent demo being visualized in 3dsmax or whatever at the party where it was released?
gargaj: out of arguments are we?
not to mention that this demo was released at a non portuguese party!
on a sidenote, lotsa ppl find it cooler to compete with serious competition rather than a few random local kids that did their first demo in blitzbasic, hence they prefer to hit the big parties. that was 10 years ago the case, that's still the case... so what the fuck is your point?
on a sidenote, lotsa ppl find it cooler to compete with serious competition rather than a few random local kids that did their first demo in blitzbasic, hence they prefer to hit the big parties. that was 10 years ago the case, that's still the case... so what the fuck is your point?
ps: well, i won't argue the scene's output is growing for sure... but there's still a very much vibrant community, in which people actually do give a shit what is happening with their favourite hobby, and can be goddamn stubborn about it at times. sure there are also some gloryhunters... they come and they go as time has gone by since the early 80s. those are the people who can maybe be "bought"... but a little historic perspective teaches us that gloryhunters never had a long scenelife expectancy anyway.
yep it is a bit sad that there are so few releases at certain parties... but who says the prods released at nvision are to blame for that? how can anyone be sure we would've seen more releases at those euro parties if nvision had never happened? and, most important of all, isn't it highly likely that we would have seen less demos overall if nvision hadn't happened?
yep it is a bit sad that there are so few releases at certain parties... but who says the prods released at nvision are to blame for that? how can anyone be sure we would've seen more releases at those euro parties if nvision had never happened? and, most important of all, isn't it highly likely that we would have seen less demos overall if nvision hadn't happened?
maali: yeah a few local kids playing with blitzbasic, what a bunch of LAMERS!!!!1
PS : I'm not sure I understand your ranting about not supporting small parties (or french parties for that matter).
Over the years we made *5* invitations for various parties, most of them being either french or small, apart from BP07 invit that was released at a french party anyway : LTP4 (fr), SOTA 2004 (fr), Evoke04 and Outline.
So yeah, for a change and it's probably the first time, we decided to release at a big event that sounded promising. Also, it was the latest party this summer, which allowed us to have a less tough deadline than ASM or Evoke. In the end, without Nvscene we would not have released a demo this summer, the other parties and deadlines being too early for us.
Sorry but after all this, I really don't feel that I'm part of this "we're killing small parties" nonsense. Moreover, if time allows it this winter, we will help Numerica people with an invitation (hopefully).
As a sidenote, I had a talk with a few french newcomers after Nvscene and that event seems to have motivated them to continue their work on their current demos.
Over the years we made *5* invitations for various parties, most of them being either french or small, apart from BP07 invit that was released at a french party anyway : LTP4 (fr), SOTA 2004 (fr), Evoke04 and Outline.
So yeah, for a change and it's probably the first time, we decided to release at a big event that sounded promising. Also, it was the latest party this summer, which allowed us to have a less tough deadline than ASM or Evoke. In the end, without Nvscene we would not have released a demo this summer, the other parties and deadlines being too early for us.
Sorry but after all this, I really don't feel that I'm part of this "we're killing small parties" nonsense. Moreover, if time allows it this winter, we will help Numerica people with an invitation (hopefully).
As a sidenote, I had a talk with a few french newcomers after Nvscene and that event seems to have motivated them to continue their work on their current demos.
