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Suits?

It's like, your example IS THE WORST EVER one could find :)

You don't even change your underwear? Thats kinda disgusting.

I used to have only one set of bedcloth at a time, but then I would just wash it during the day.

SDW : btw, I did not mean the 1000 euros thing was bullshit, just that people without the money could upgrade their machine quite decently with 10% of that ;)

Keops: .... as long as you don't have to overstep a "oh, we're changing the CPU socket, the GPU connector and of course the memory bars" boundary. Then it's either buying an almost completely new set of stuff now or trying to upgrade with "legacy" (eg. AGP) versions of new hardware until that won't work anymore and you'll have to replace everything anyway.

calexico, not my fault if you can't even understand the analogies you pick.

soccer! marc overmars!

Having to buy new hardware every half year is like eating asparagus! Sure it tastes good but goddamn does your pee smell rank!

okkie: bullshit! we all know buying new hardware is in fact more like growing clay potatos... they start to rot a lot faster, but they're not nearly as dry as sand grown potatos!

you can pretty much watch anything with a midrange 2yo gpu (worth 150$ new back then)... some demos might turn into a slideshow fpswise, but they run... and there are videocaptures for seeing those 'high end' demos at a decent fps, if you actually are bothered enough!

but im with keops and co on this one.

the difference between commercial games and demos is, games are made to sell. if the makers choose a high hardware requirement they risk limiting their market and losing money - bad for business.
on the other hand, demo makers doing it for their own entertainment dont have to give a shit about that. :) my hobby is high end rendering+fx, thats what i like doing - and naturally the best hw is useful for that, so thats what i target. if people cant watch it, that's a bit of a shame for me that people cant watch my work, but thats still a choice i have. the requirements of the viewer comes a distant second to the requirements/enjoyment of the maker im afraid.

btw, the only nvision stuff i couldnt watch was because of vista - which is a personal choice on my part, i could install it now and watch them on hw but i dont want to, so i wouldnt complain about it.

and btw, personally i guess i spend a lot more on clothes than on computers. :)

i sometimes have a gamer's approach of demos :

some demos are there to beat games on high-end hardware because they don't need to comply to what smash said, they don't have to include input, gameplay nor IA, they can just focus on creativity where games are constrained to gameplay and marketing.

demos are the cousins of games, they have to be played in real time : they aren't arty videos in the first place to my eyes.

pushing the resources of one's boosted/overclocked/tuned/upgraded computer to the max by crushing it with highend demos is a gamer's enjoyment (a stupid one but still pleasant like any boy/man's pleasure ;).


this said, i have never really bothered about building a killer machine nor overclocking it, just getting a machine solid enough to run latest games and demos together.

Really ? Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that the demos released at nvidia party were meant to be used as nvidia hardware show off (therefore to sell something).

so where's the list?

we'll get to it probably when we get home :)

The demoscene is all about making things.
-> You don't like realtime? Then make a wild video.
-> NVScene doesn't have a wild compo? Then make your own party.

Sceners are always making new things, and some of those things need a new computer. If your computer is too old, then these things are not for you. Just ignore them, and make something for yourself. Besides, you can always watch video captures if the compression artifacts don't melt your eyes first.

Ok, no problem: you're wrong.

and demoscene jesus gloom has spoken!

That's not getting old at all Maali. :)

neither does your annoying style in commenting on other ppl

Maali : Gloom is right though, whether it pleases you or not :)

yeah maali, i agree with gloom and keops too: calling gloom demoscene jesus is not getting old at all!

keops: get those cubes out of your eyes, i never said he's either right or wrong.. merely disliked the way HOW he responded to hitch, which is somewhat exemplar for his attitude lately, imho unfitting for someone who represents the demoscene often towards 3rd parties and this particular demoparty.

Considering how hitchhikr had his share of fun dissing endlessly that nice event, Gloom's answer is probably quite correct imo. I would be less patient if I were him...

So did nvidia buy the "demoscene show" for a commercial operation ?

If yes then the demos were (indirectly) made to sell products and a brand.
If no then nvidia are a bunch of crazy philantropists with shitload of money to throw away.