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Something someone in the demoscene would approve: ubartmar.com - macrometasomakosmos. An album based on maths, particularly penrose tiles and the golden mean. The whole thing is in the ratio 34:55, the beat is in that ratio and repeats only after a few thousand years, and there are 89 tracks of either 34 or 55 seconds length.

For music with an unpredictable rhythm and strange concept, it sounds pretty damn good too.

oh... proper link: The Groove

scott walker
theres a good documentary about him, 30th century man. well worth to watch.

YEAH! uvantam.com (formerly ubartmar.com - name changed after 'the god of lucky 7' recommended it in a dream :) has some videos on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZiKD5t1_Gw <- crazy penrose tile beat with fractals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEbI_WhOKdM <- uvantam.com performing live in a club. Seems like some seriously mad club too, if they allow music like that and people actually dance to it :D

psonice: whats wrong and undancable about that music? o_O

re: uvantam.com
that is some pretty interesting chop ups, much more deliberate than most beat chopping. I likes.

Shed is a real talent who isn't getting the recognition he deserves. Egotism and Soloaction EP are good examples of his work. Strong influences from Detroit, but better than anything coming out of there in a loooong while..

Also, all recent productions, remixes and collaborations from Troydon have been quite refreshing.

ps: it might sound rhythmic, but try tapping your feet to it and you'll soon find out it isn't :) Although somehow, I think you're right and it's danceable. Must be something to do with the golden mean perhaps?

psonice: i guess you're not much fan of all that dubstep stuff that has floating around these past couple of years with burial and kode9

ps: never heard of dubstep or either artist, but i just took a listen to the tracks on kode9's site. Seems like fairly standard drum + bass? Or is their later stuff different?

drumandbass usually has a steady rythm and full drumset, dubstep is riding on the groove hicup kind of sounds and focusing on more minimalistic or quasi-absent drums. not much of a scientific description but hopefuly good enough to explain the conceptual diference. im not much fan but there are quite some people heavy into it. just mentioned it since its also quite offbeat and undancable at first, yet minions of fans dance to it.

Burial \o/

parapete: so is untrue better then the selftitled or not? i keep hearing people hyping both, sick to death of hearing about burial.

ps: right, I'm with you. Not been into drum+bass for some years now (as great as it is, it does get a bit boring after a while :) and it was mostly just called drum + bass or jungle back then.

The bits I listened to at least were pretty much standard 4/4 beat music, although with the drums changing and cutting in and out I can see it being hard to dance to. The uvantam tracks on the other hand have a pretty much non-repeating rhythm, which I'd say is perhaps just a bit harder.

It's easier to understand the beat when he plays slower stuff, which unfortunately I don't think is online anywhere. On some bits, he even uses different parts of the penrose system for different parts (say the bass line + lead), so that neither has a regular rhythm but they still intersect regularly like a regular track would every 4 or 16 beats.

dubstep is a really fresh direction to go with the 4 beats in a bar thing - to my ears its taking the funk and jazz drumming and flattening it into dance beats + the shuffle grooves of garage bass mentality of dub. when i first heard dubstep it was such a revelation that somebody had actually come up with the grooves i kept hearing in my head.

psonice - i was disappointed when i listened to the guy you recommended. they don't sound so much like purpose built grooves, more like somebody's taken their techno knowledge and just hacked away with a bit of maths and a step sequencer. i think you *can* groove HARD outside of comfortable 4, and its something that herbie hancock did (e.g. hornets) and something that pat metheny mastered (e.g. the song '18'). the whole groove from the rhythm section through to the soloists was locken into the oddball rhythms, so it isn't a paste-up job of an eccentric beat + some repeating melodic or textural patterns over the top.

I've been listening to Burial (both albums) and Boxcutter (both albums) a lot lately.

Apart from that, I have taken a great love to Mistabishi - No Matter What lately. A single release on Hospital records, available on vinyl, beatport, itunes and so forth. Really a nice blend of early nineties rave's cheesiness, with some nasty bass to go along with it :)

ps: only heard selftitled and i found it fairly decent.

i find most dubstep to be derivative crap but there's some good stuff out there:

Boxcutter
Vex'd
iTAL tEK

forestcre: it's not really a good example of his work, he's just playing some crazy hard stuff for a club. Also, he doesn't stick to any particular form of music, even within an album he might go from ambient to drum+bass, but always with his own style. He doesn't always release under his own name(s) - he's one half of joujouka (who did a good track for Rez :) and I think he produces pop music in japan too.

Some more 'representative' tracks, if there is such a thing:

True (old, but sooo dark and trippy, this is what got me into his music)
Guri and Guru (his latest album, not my favourite but there are a few really good tracks)
Macrometasomakosmos (this is the one I originally mentioned - you can preview bits of it on the link)

Actually I think the best stuff he did recently was the first 30 minutes of 'Mars', but good luck tracking that down as only 100 odd hand made copies were sold, from a small shop in tokyo.

Just out of curiosity, what makes "boom boom boom" good music in your opinion?

The same thing that makes everything else here "good music". It evokes feelings when I listen to it. It amuses and uplifts me.

Sure, it's technically shit, it's cliched, but no more or less than a lot of the music here. The video is really funny too!

This might be too popular to become popular in this thread, but I think that "L'apocalypse des Animaux" by Vangelis is a great album - been listening to it in my car all week and it just hangs in there. Dunno, why. At first I thought "Hugely boring, like much from this guy", but it somehow crept under my skin and stayed there - for good, perhaps.
Anyway, made me want to have a go at the ret of my Vangelis albums (which I bought in a "He's famous, so this must be good"-frenzy years ago).

I'm a lot into Man Or Astro-Man... the wiki def doesn't express the complexity and level of how interesting and special their music is... And it ios radically different in their approach than any music done on the last 30 years... explaination:

in 1991 when this independant USA group was founded by students, they decided to play.... some form of *** surf rock *** ! a style denied, forgotten and definitely lost since 1965... why ? and what is surf rock ? ---> FLASH BACK !!!!


... 1962 .... leo fender need some good guitarist to test its new invention: the reverb. Chance: dick dale conducts a big band near there... Who is dick dale ? FLASH BACK...




"Dick Dale is "The King of the Surf Guitar": a pioneer of surf rock and one of the most influential guitarists of the 1960s. He experimented with reverberation and made use of custom made Fender amplifiers, including the first ever 100 watt amp....." (wiki)

.... so, how does surf music sound you would ask me ? Everyone knows because of tarentino: he used the old forgotten surf styles as the music of all its movies, like the music at the beginning of pulp fiction... this dry reverb guitar sound with fast notes... th'a s basically surf... but ... FLASH BACK /....

wiki:"Dale was born to a Lebanese father and a Polish mother[...]Among his (dale) early musical influences was his uncle, an oud player performing belly dance music. Much of his early music shows a middle eastern influence; Dale is often credited as one of the first electric guitarists to employ exotic scales in his playing."

So that's it.... the rock style that surrounded the californian 1962-1965 area
has actually arabian/ south european origins... no surprise: even the hit miserlou from pulp fiction is in fact an old greek standard...

so after the huge success of the very particular music of dick dale in california (and only in california,( exept elvis all artists was only known locally ezvrywhere, the concept of international music stars only appeared in the late 1960 (important) )) after many many copies of dick dales, around 1965 went a lot of interesting music there (the san francisco bay music , jefferson airplanes & co) --> and so from that date; surf music was considered the MUSIC TO BAN !!!




.... back to 1991.... a little college group decided to do SURF MUSIC, just because it has energy like no other styles... this implies to make a music of the early 60's in the 90's ... and so, an exercise of style: only 2 or 3 minutes long music, no lyrics on 3/4 of the songs... (instrumental band ?) ... and .. what was lacking to indie rock and modern rock in general: a synchronism between guitar and drum... both changing of patterns each 4/4... which gives a very secial dynamism when it's well done...

now certainly , their first album is immature, and it is a music you got to "learn to listen"... but it goes so far away !!! When listening to several Man or astroman tunes continuously... you come to imagine yourself in a never ending guitar world ... in an hypnotic nervous state.... It is basically, a "panic music" , expressing a nervous fear, contrary to 99% of modern rocks that express festive music.
It really takes to listen ALL their LP (done in 12 years; + some EP only released in vinil) to understand... the evlolution of their music... going to complex/molodic/playings ( project infinity,1993) to more jazzy / noise / repetitive and hyp^n,otic (made from technetium, 1998)... before the orignal guitar genius ("star crunch") left in 99.

nutman: bladerunner soundtrack <3 masterpiece. movie's final cut is being re-edited as dvd and a re-mastering of the original soundtrack with an aditional cd of movie unused and movie inspired tracks will be added. lefts to be seen if its another cow being milked or hold actual value for the re-edition.

krabob: only heard "a spectrum of infinite scale" from them, didnt leave me yearning for more but its been a long time since i gave the record a chance now.

been discovering the works of the cinematic orchestra lately. half way between dj shadow and lounge triphop. quite nice.