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Phoenix: I'm having fun organizing and doing the outreach. I'm just sick of armchair quarterback know-it-alls.

ps: tell me, what parties have you organized here in the States?

TO ALL SALT-LAKE CITY FANS
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This thread is about "Quebec Sceners and Partys". So posting here about organizing a pqrty in Salt-Lake city and arguing about if ps is an American or if Salt-Lake city has interest in the scene is pointless as everyone reading this thread will be confuzed and will totally disrespect both Salt-Lake scene enthousiasts as well as Quebec scene enthousiasts.

So please have decency and realize that there are no moderators on poüet to help this scattering of information.

If I remember it right, ps is someone with a decent amount of scene party experience.

Myself I've only been to NAID, in QUEBEC ;°)

ps already said pretty much everything I was going to say (except maybe the by-the-balls part :). You should accept anything in between flames and praises as constructive criticism. Either keep it in the back of your brain, or ignore it. But an attitude like "you're not organizing my party, so shut up" can give you a bad reputation among potential partygoers. BTW, ps (afaik) has helped organize some parties in Portugal, since he lives there.. but it doesn't really matter where.

The fact that people like SGTruck are offering any kind of opinion at all should be welcomed. American sceners are going to be a bit anxious, because they don't do this too often and hope that everything will turn out okay. Just keep the communication going in a positive direction, and you'll quell that anxiety.

-phx

33: ribbit.

>It's never fun for the organizers.. but it should be >fun for everyone else. :)

something that the Coma organizers clearly never recognized..

they were never strong on the constructive criticism either.

Tangets are cool. Please, continue...

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i think you mean "tangents," not "tangets."

As lighthearted as the statement was supposed to be, I disagree with every fiber of all kinds of places (including the ones most people won't mention over lunch).

I know few people who go through organizing a party that kicks the crap out them (physically and mentally) and come back for 'seconds'.

I've seen a fair share of people retire after what they considered a bad organizing job. It takes a restistance to stress, unexpected setbacks, fires and sideline critics if one wants to do this on a regular basis.

Note that SM is not a running trend amongst sceners aiming to organize a party (not a publicly announced trend, that is -I can't even begin to imagine some of you in such ...situations).

You know organizers are holding the right end of the stick when both the attendee and the staff member are enjoying themselves and communicate on equal terms. I rarely see that happen. :\

legalize: tell me, how many parties have you been to and how many did you organize?
it's a useless argument that of "you're not from states you have no clue how to organize parties here".

everyone holds party orgas by the balls i tell yah.
by the friggin balls.

ps: this will be the first party I have organized or attended. That I have been into computer graphics for 25 years and never heard of the demoscene until last year tells you something about the state of the demoscene in the US. It is that harsh reality that is relevant to organizing parties here vs. Europe. However hard the task may be, those harsh realities make it harder in the US. Add on top of that harsh reality of ignorance the geography factor and it is even harder to do a party in the US.

Party organizers are only "held by the balls" if they let themselves be held by the balls. If I let every nay sayer "hold me by the balls" I would have given up on organizing this party a long time ago. In a dichotomous world, there are those who do and those who talk. Like most other groups of people, demosceners are full of people who talk and there are a very few who do. I'm a do'er and I have more important things to do than be beholden to those who only talk.

As I see it, the coin of the realm in the demoscene is respect. You have to earn it, you don't get respect just by talking from your chair.

If you want my respect as a coder, artist, musician or organizer, then show me what you've done. Otherwise, its just talk and I'm too busy doing to be beholden to all the talk out there.

if you act like a dictator who doesnt care about what the ppl interested in the event think about it you wont get their respect, their prods, their attendance or their free promoing.

i think you do good to prove your claims with actions instead of sitting in your ass saying "scene is dead im not gonna bother" like most ppl do, but telling others to stfu or do better isnt gonna give you much fans, its alot harder to get word across when ppl dont respect you despite beeing interested in what you are doing; thats the whole nutgrabbing thing i mentioned before.. ppl sit on their asses, might not even bother attending and give out the oddest of reasons why they arent bothering to attend it but they are still gonna follow what happens with it and give you their comments and critics, you gotta take their critics with a smile no matter how unpropositated and senseless they seem, telling them to stfu or do better wont help getting them to distribute your fliers. :)

anyways, i hope the best for pilgrimage, would be cool to start seeing usa scene sprinkle up again, would kick some motion back inot european scene too me thinks. but you still gotta tell me how the hell you got so many cards to give out on a first edition party, getting replies from the card making companies in portugal seems alot more burocratical then over there. ;)

maybe cause they don't ever get the opportunity togive them out.... or because they are SO DAMN RICH!

Legalize: Even though you seem sick of all this talking, I still think your doing your best. I do think highly of you, but ps has a point. You don't NEED to follow it. You don't even need to care about it. But I think everyone can admit that a "squeez my balls as much as you want and I'll smile" organizer is just more easy going for most computer potatoes out there.

Continue your good work, it'll pay off. Also, even if you don't collaborate like crazy with all the sceners, I do think that you'll get something good. Or at least I hope so.

Anyone knows WHY the AMERICAN (cause Canada isn't US yet :) scene is dead??? Maybe cause we have sooo many ppl who kinda laze around and don't feel like working in their free time?

ekraor: american scene isn't dead, its just that it has never been born yet ;P

going off on another wild tangent ... if there is anyone interested in trying to dig up any interest in the scene in the new york/northeast usa region feel free to contact me ... and preferably do it before i move the hell out of this country and over to sweden kthx. xD

PS: Your comment covers not just parties, but sceners and people in general...

EkraorGlihP: Well, it's not that it never was born - it's that we've moved so damn SLOW over the years. I've used the excuse that we live so far apart but... well, Pyro and I lived a half mile from each other and didn't know the other one was part of the scene. (You know, the whole "PC/Amiga" thing... scenes didn't meet at ALL here.)

Continuing the tangent - NorthWest US? Heck even British Columbia - interested in the demoscene? I don't bite (:

EkraorGlihP wrote:


Speaking for myself, I'm quite content to be nothing more than a demo fan. As far as being lazy because I've never contributed to the 'scene,' that's short-sighted. I have worked in the organization of music, fundraising, activistim, and sports events. My current free time is divided between music, weight training/swimming, activism, and volunteering. I'd also like to resume learning Japanese, but there's only 24 hours in the day.

I don't own a TV and generally don't enjoy movies. Demos are just my way to relax.

ps: please show me where I have told people to just "stfu". Nowhere have I ever said that.

well you havent explicitly but your replies often smell of that attitude.

ps: my point is that you take something I didn't say and then use it to criticise me as if I did say it. If you want to criticise, then please stick to the facts and not what you "smell".

It has always been easier to criticise others or tear down something than it has been to create something.

As I said, ever since I started this project I've had people try to pass themselves off as experts and try to tell me how to do everything for my own event. My response has always been that if you have so many specific and exact ideas of how a demoparty should be run, then great, go organize your own demoparty and let's get another one going.

If I want your help with my event, I'll ask for it. Until then, it is my event and not theirs and I don't have to do what they tell me. Does that mean I'm telling them to just "stfu"? No, it means that if you want to be the boss, you have to do your own event, I'm not going to let you be the boss of mine.

If you have something useful to contribute (as many others have on various occasions), then I'll take that under consideration. Does it mean that I will necessarily do everything that was suggested? No, because again its my event that I'm organizing with my own ideas of what I want it to contain.

If the criticism is unreasonable or just whining then I will simply ignore it. Most of what has been said to me in response to whatever I've done to organize this party falls into this category. Its not helpful, it doesn't offer anything constructive, and most of the time its just "armchair expert disease" run amuck.

As I said, respect is the coin of the realm. I don't have much respect for someone who sits around complaining about the things that I'm trying to do but doesn't offer anything useful instead.

o/` it's my party and i'll cry if i want to, cry if i want to... o/`

legalize, it looks like its better if you dont write more.
ignore whoever you want but better get silent.
its better for your party efforts.
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and now this thread should get back to the original topic instead of the constant display of personal arrogance

*sigh*

ps: In my last response the use of "you" was meant generically and not specifically directed at you as a person. For some reason in English, using "they" all the time to mean generic third person just seems awkward, so we use "you".

SirG: I put a link directly to Pilgrimage's web site on my Polygony/outreach pages. Thanks for the suggestion.

do you accept remote mp3 entries to legalize?
i have this old track where i used a sample of rather known .pt comedian/actor pretending to be one of those clean clothes religious missionaires, he says something like: "goodbye my friends, enjoy your summer and remember, if you ever run into a member of my fellow church, please listen to what we have to say couz.. we come from utah for gods sake, its a place even.. worse then here."
i could make an hyper glitch noise rape ending to it and release it at pilgrimage. i wonder if anyone would get the meaning though..