breakpoint'03
category: general [glöplog]
stefan, if you can get such chairs at that price, I'm sure you won't mind ordering say, oh..100 for next bp so we can burn them? :)
shifter: 100 chairs? did he burn that many? i doubt it :) really i do :) seriously, those chair wherent fancy, they couldnt be used for anything else than this kindof events :)
ehh, about "hard alcohol" , we drank whiskey/vodka inside the partyhall, and we wherent even drunk when we where inside, i dont see the problem with "hard alcohol" its better to say "hard boozing", that is, DRUNK people could be thrown out to the meadow or so :)
ehh, about "hard alcohol" , we drank whiskey/vodka inside the partyhall, and we wherent even drunk when we where inside, i dont see the problem with "hard alcohol" its better to say "hard boozing", that is, DRUNK people could be thrown out to the meadow or so :)
I feel so boring cuz I didn't break anything or puked anywhere ;/
Marisa you are not allowed to come to a scene party anymore! You were way too boring.. pf
Scamp, I promise you that I'll burn at least one chair at Symphony.
Phoenix: Don't be so American about the security rules... What if an airliner would've fallen on the place? Next time we'd better not partying at all, it could be too dangerous.
Phoenix: Don't be so American about the security rules... What if an airliner would've fallen on the place? Next time we'd better not partying at all, it could be too dangerous.
From which planet You people came?
Jesus, my party feeling crashes because of some guys broke some glass,
some other screams and one man enter the sleeping hall for *THIRTY* seconds
with megaphone and said few words only? Shall I never again enter demoparty
because few guys jump through the fire? What a f*king nightmare!!!
I think eastern and western (so called) demosceners differes in every point.
99,99999999999999999999999999999999999999187% of You guy never was and probably
never will be at Polish party so You lost Your chance of watching how things
looks like here in our beloved country. Yes, it's a nightmare for all of You
Scamp-like scary visitors because there is no hundreds of computers with fast
lan connection, full of porn, divx and pirated mp3s. But we had freedom. If
You want to screm something - You can scream as much as You can. If You want
to organise some spontanic ashow on stage - do it for the audience. If it become
bored - someone throw tomato or sandwitch into You and it means "end of show".
"I think there's a difference between planned shows and a drunken mob" - Shifter.
Party was planned for 4 days. for over 90% of the time I walk around and get bored.
Bored, because nothing special except scene.org awards and afterparty and compos
was organising.
The truth is there WAS NO organisation. Lack of fun compos, lack of ideas
how to fullfill the free time between compos. The only trick that Scamp and other
organisers know is selling the SHIIIIITTTTYYYYYY beer (the worst I've ever drunk)
and getting ppl boozed. Are we fu*king animals? Isn't it amazing that the only thing
You ppl remember from 4 days long party is one broken chair, few bottles and Silent
with his 30 secs performance in sleeping hall? No more memories? Geee, are You
really suck or the event suck? I vote for event (organisation aspect mainly).
I, personally, travelled over 1200 km for this party, lost 2 or 3 of my monthly salaries
for different paids, spent together with Kiero over 2 weeks of almost non stop
assembling of our demo release and the we finally landed at the DAMN END OF THE WORLD.
With really weird localisation, not so much people, small-screen and tons of other
bugs. But we could extract positive things from that and after all we, Poles, gave
a standing ovation at the ending ceremony.
That's why we made a lot of posters, invite You to come to Poland and visit Symphony.
I think almost 100% of You will piss us for sure but we don't care. We'll had enough
good time and party feelings with or without Your presence.
And Scamp - calm down, re-think Your words and please stop writing bull shits like
"better stay home next Year". First - try to organise a good party full-filled with
attractions (much, much more avesome attractions like open-air music compo this year).
Throwind two trucks of wood for camp-fire and delivering a truck of beer is not
everything You guys can! I believe in You and wish that BP04 will REALLY rule.
Stefan - Yes, about those damn chair. It costs 2eur max i think. Scamp, If you want,
we can deliver you dozen of that shitty chiair next Year.
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And finally after reading all posts - what about the invittion sentence:
"A meadow outside the party hall (really :) to crash, sit and drink"
So WTF is Your problem? You said that visitors can crash this meadow and when few
bottles were broken You screamed like hell. DON'T LIE IN INVITATION AGAIN, please!
Then we'll had no problems with understanding each others.
With deepest respect for all organising team for making Breakpoint'03 possible.
Azzaro/Madwizards+Floppy - one of the banned from Breakpoint'04.
and yes, i'm suck.
Hm, 'crashing' in this case had a different meaning, but the one about the difference between Eastern and Western party mood is quite a point. I still say MaWi did nothing really bad, and no real damage (except the chair, if that's true), and what they've done would've been quite accepted not only on a Polish, but also a Hungarian party.
"So WTF is Your problem? You said that visitors can crash this meadow and when few bottles were broken You screamed like hell. DON'T LIE IN INVITATION AGAIN, please!"
A few broken bottles can happen, yes, and we won't make a fuss about it then. People purposefully smashing bottles or throwing them at other people (!!) is an entirely different thing however - we had to clean up the meadow by hand, found about 80kg of smashed glass there, and had to pay 300 euros for bottles we couldn't return because they were smashed.
That's a BIT much, don't you think?
A few broken bottles can happen, yes, and we won't make a fuss about it then. People purposefully smashing bottles or throwing them at other people (!!) is an entirely different thing however - we had to clean up the meadow by hand, found about 80kg of smashed glass there, and had to pay 300 euros for bottles we couldn't return because they were smashed.
That's a BIT much, don't you think?
so next year annouce that all the bottles should be given back and there will be no problem.
so next year annouce that all the bottles should be given back and there will be no problem.
azzaro: i have to agree with you on the point that the organizers had planned to little on the stage. Last year at mekka there were loads of analogue-events - like the chillzone where people brought there own instruments and 'jammed'. I was hoping that the cooperation between the (in)famous xxx and the well known steeler would be more active on stage that what i experienced.
I know that it takes a lot of effort from the people actually being main hosts, but still - try to arrange something(!!). Just a simple hardware-throwing compo, a cross-country monitor-run or even just a beer drinking compo would have been appreciated!
5 cents to the polish crew :-) (though i have my original opinion - that destroying/throwing bottles is not acceptable).
I know that it takes a lot of effort from the people actually being main hosts, but still - try to arrange something(!!). Just a simple hardware-throwing compo, a cross-country monitor-run or even just a beer drinking compo would have been appreciated!
5 cents to the polish crew :-) (though i have my original opinion - that destroying/throwing bottles is not acceptable).
rasmus: There was a live-jam on saturday.
Yes, we didn't organize too many fun-events this time, all organizers had been busy fixing more important things. This sure will be improved.
But I'd also like to point out that there was a second stage, and everyone was invited before the party to do liveacts/funcompos/whatever there. We sadly didn't get much feedback on that.
That's sure a matter of taste, but personally I prefer partys where the visitors get active themselves and organize something on their own. The scene-community vs. fast-food-mentality, if you want to put it that way...
Yes, we didn't organize too many fun-events this time, all organizers had been busy fixing more important things. This sure will be improved.
But I'd also like to point out that there was a second stage, and everyone was invited before the party to do liveacts/funcompos/whatever there. We sadly didn't get much feedback on that.
That's sure a matter of taste, but personally I prefer partys where the visitors get active themselves and organize something on their own. The scene-community vs. fast-food-mentality, if you want to put it that way...
You know, a lot of the "stage antics" could have been stopped simply by turning off the microphones between compos. But then I guess they'd still get up there and dance, or shout at the top of their lungs instead. :)
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one man enter the sleeping hall for *THIRTY* seconds
with megaphone and said few words only?
I wasn't there, but something about the words "megaphone" and "sleeping hall' don't mix too well.
thom: I was there. They didn't wake me up (and I usually wake up when someone enters the room I'm sleeping in, even IF they try doing it quietly)
They DID wake a bunch of people up though, so I guess my little statement won't mean anything to them.
They DID wake a bunch of people up though, so I guess my little statement won't mean anything to them.
leia: not everything is about you. i woke up, along with loads of other persons. Including one black haired dude who ran after the screaming idiot and took away his megaphone. so don't say that it was a major success :-)
in my opinion it wasnt as much what was done, as the attitude shown by the perpetrators. who they were have been discussed to death, so i wont throw any names here.
it seemed to me, that some people did not have any respect for the organizers, and other people at the party. what has sneaking up on people eating their breakfast, and yelling into their ear with a fucking megaphone got to do with scenespirit? in my opinion, that is the same spirit that is shown by bodybuilders at local discoteques all around the world.. yelling, acting like fucking monkeys and trying to be "funny". what, you dont have the brains to have fun without destroying bottles or annoying people.
and one thing. it shouldnt be necessary to point out "dont break a lot of bottles".. that would be a bit like writing "please dont set fire to the whole place, rape all the girls, and steal the equipment." so what the fuck is up with that attitude ?
as an ex-partyorganizer(who quit because there wasnt ENOUGH drinking and havoc at his party) i'd like to see grown adults taking responsibility for their own actions, instead of acting like they were back in kindergarten.
i'd say, let the guys under siege here, redeem themselves next year, by behaving like human beings of 2003, not cavemen.
it seemed to me, that some people did not have any respect for the organizers, and other people at the party. what has sneaking up on people eating their breakfast, and yelling into their ear with a fucking megaphone got to do with scenespirit? in my opinion, that is the same spirit that is shown by bodybuilders at local discoteques all around the world.. yelling, acting like fucking monkeys and trying to be "funny". what, you dont have the brains to have fun without destroying bottles or annoying people.
and one thing. it shouldnt be necessary to point out "dont break a lot of bottles".. that would be a bit like writing "please dont set fire to the whole place, rape all the girls, and steal the equipment." so what the fuck is up with that attitude ?
as an ex-partyorganizer(who quit because there wasnt ENOUGH drinking and havoc at his party) i'd like to see grown adults taking responsibility for their own actions, instead of acting like they were back in kindergarten.
i'd say, let the guys under siege here, redeem themselves next year, by behaving like human beings of 2003, not cavemen.
rasmus: (don't give me that crap), I _never_ said everything was about me.
I merely stated that they didn't wake me up. My point was to prove that there's always two sides of a story.
I merely stated that they didn't wake me up. My point was to prove that there's always two sides of a story.
Looks like discussion with You is pointless. Sleep well because after reading all those comments You don't have to expect any visitor from Poland next year. So You could spend freeze point'04 in silence and total boredom once again. over and out.
sucks: being destructive
fine for me: dancing on stage even during compos (at least as old as mekka symposium...), if you want an aseptic event see how The Party went down.
what was really annoying were those retards all the time showing off their audio-equipment with their latest pr0n-downloads. :/
fine for me: dancing on stage even during compos (at least as old as mekka symposium...), if you want an aseptic event see how The Party went down.
what was really annoying were those retards all the time showing off their audio-equipment with their latest pr0n-downloads. :/
Are we still having this debate?
Do anyone remember which demo was placed second?
Do anyone remember which demo was placed second?
the party was great no need to complain, except the orders of the productions shown, and the voting. But we can't do anything with stupid people voting.
I hope to see you next bp, or even before at buenzli or evoke or sota.
I hope to see you next bp, or even before at buenzli or evoke or sota.
okay okay, there were some mistakes and misunderstandings. but even though you're all throwing huge lumps of mud at eachother i sense some kind of "will to cooperate" from both sides.
as for the party itself, i think (certainly for a first edition), it was really nice. i agree with the lack of events, but that's nothing they can't change. the location was weird but cute, and i don't think it's really anyone's fault when a heating system breaks down for a while. at least it gives us something to remember (and yes, my neck was aching for three days after that, too). my point is that i really think those organizers will pick up the things that went wrong and take that knowledge with them when organizing another breakpoint.
now as for all the bottle breakin' 'n chair throwin' fuzz.. i'd suggest nobody gets "banned". let's just remember this so that such things won't get screwed up at the next breakpoint. now we know we'll have to return bottles for obvious reasons, and perhaps some drunken fags will think twice before they throw a chair into the fire.
as for stefan's "argument" that they only cost 2 euros a piece (which is next to nothing indeed), that's not what counts. it's stuff they rented to make this possible, and it's a matter of respect not to blatantly throw that into a campfire in order to have yourself a blast. it costs extra cash, and it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 100 or 300 euros: it just shouldn't happen (disregarding of possible accidents et al.).
so if the breakpoint organizers do something with the relatively low amount of criticism (let's be fair, it was a nice experience after all), and those who made a little fuzz with chairs, bottles and megaphones think twice next time, i guess there won't be a problem at all.
let's not "fight" about this any longer.. it makes no sense.
as for the party itself, i think (certainly for a first edition), it was really nice. i agree with the lack of events, but that's nothing they can't change. the location was weird but cute, and i don't think it's really anyone's fault when a heating system breaks down for a while. at least it gives us something to remember (and yes, my neck was aching for three days after that, too). my point is that i really think those organizers will pick up the things that went wrong and take that knowledge with them when organizing another breakpoint.
now as for all the bottle breakin' 'n chair throwin' fuzz.. i'd suggest nobody gets "banned". let's just remember this so that such things won't get screwed up at the next breakpoint. now we know we'll have to return bottles for obvious reasons, and perhaps some drunken fags will think twice before they throw a chair into the fire.
as for stefan's "argument" that they only cost 2 euros a piece (which is next to nothing indeed), that's not what counts. it's stuff they rented to make this possible, and it's a matter of respect not to blatantly throw that into a campfire in order to have yourself a blast. it costs extra cash, and it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 100 or 300 euros: it just shouldn't happen (disregarding of possible accidents et al.).
so if the breakpoint organizers do something with the relatively low amount of criticism (let's be fair, it was a nice experience after all), and those who made a little fuzz with chairs, bottles and megaphones think twice next time, i guess there won't be a problem at all.
let's not "fight" about this any longer.. it makes no sense.
word.