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My PC is more then 3 years old by now. And back then I did not even buy high end hardware. However somehow it appears to me that almost all demos still run very well on my machine. (notable exceptions are all fairlight prods and kkrieger).

Where are the demos that are actually making use of all the new hardware? Is nobody pushing technical limits anymore? Any demo using the latest Radeon X whatever? Tell me why I should buy a new pc? (The moneye is there, just need motivation to spend it other than alan wake or smth..)

Just get a new case. It will instantly look like a new computer.

You should buy a new PC so that you can make the demos that make use of all the new hardware.

pushing technical limits == forcing people to buy new hw in order for the demo to run at all ? ah, so THAT's what the *real* scene was all about! thanks for clarifying the matter. go dab some poo now on your case.

People whining about demos should make demos themselves, to their own liking. But of course, they never do..

i heard of "demos dont run on my hardware", but this rant is new :O

haha, my putah is too good for this demo! :)))

preacher - yea I do...

We have computer which can beat your computer!

Isn't it more important how actually demo looks than what hardware it requires? It is possible to code a sm4.0/dx10 shitty demo and an awesome gl 1.1 prod (for example recent keops stuff).

And may I quote from your comment for Media Error/Fairlight:

"Looks like typical FLT attributes apply though: Weird slowness of demo on any hardware."

This demo actually runs fine on brand new hardware ("Media Error" needs a lot of CPU-power for example) - so does "Halfsome" and "Tactical Battle Loop" or any other recent FLT-Demo.
So this might answer your question: buying new hardware will enable you to watch these demos as they were meant to be watched...

u suk cos cant code demoes that kkrush mine computah

It's just a matter of pushing the subdivion :D

What masterm said.

AstronautStebo: don't count on it ;)

Why don't you make those demos? If you spent on it half the time you spent trolling on Pouet, you could have made 10 of those demos by now.




I might be wrong but my guess it that FLT demos are usually GPU bound, not CPU bound.

Hi keops

I was referring to this post from smash:

" it is something of a cpu hog (e.g. the fluids are all cpu calculated - and if you have a slow cpu like an old 2ghz athlon that will likely be the limiting factor throughout, probably starving the gpu - the driver will be working too hard with this kind of poly count"

I suppose that Lando considers buying a whole new PC and not only a new graphics card with a better GPU. So in my eyes Media Error is a good example for significant performance gain on new hardware because it taxes both the GPU and the CPU...

AstronautStebo: sure, I totally got your point.

I was only refering to his redundant trolling and complaints ;)

Absolutely right. Cos can't do that you need sin to do that.

To some extend I can understand Landos gripes:

You got a new PC - You want extra glossy programs for the new PC

I would say: let's be patient. Remember 195/95 or Final Audition from Plastic? Those came out of nowhere and were truely state-of-the-art (HDR and all that stuff). So my guess is: it takes some time for demo groups to really exploit a new generation of hardware. The typical demo group consists of a handful of people. In contrast, big game manufacturers have hundreds of people nowadays working on the graphics - without file size limits! There was a time when demos had better graphics than games - but that was a time when games were ALSO coded by a handful of people.

But to cut this short: demos have always been more about art and design than high end hardware usage...

That's not what Lando says.

He's asking for more demos that don't run on *his* computer.

Which is a slightly fucked up thing to ask, if you ask me.

short answer: http://pouet.net/topic.php?which=4390

people whining about demos using ~5 year old technology will surely kill the demoscene

Run some H.264 videos with a sufficiently high resolution, and you'll know why you'll need one.
Or chose higher resolutions for the demos you watch. Get a (at least) 20" widescreen TFT that makes demos look crappy if you don't run them in their native resolution of 1600x1050 or so.
Or just buy a new PC anyway and send me your old one ;)

That's not what he wants. Stop feeding the trolls.

lando: try the 4k category, theres loads of stuff in there that needs loads of ram, ps3.0 etc. Of course, like mentor says, usually they get "why should I upgrade to see a shitty little 4k" comments or "runs very slow here - thumb down" or even, and this one is funny "learn to code".

Then again this is the scene right? No need for innovation, just cubes and BASS.