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Insulting newbie coders
category: general [glöplog]
Althought im just a weeder, but reminds me of attitude how, here in pouet ppl treats, new products by newbie groups.
Totally hammered.
For example, mighty keops, GL master. Can we see your first Atari "demo"?
Was that "utterly suberb" ? No.
Dont judge ppl or their first demos because they are crap or slow etc.
Instead of that how do you encourage them to make better demos?
Oh yeah, oldskool effect are used by now, keops.
Only truly oldskool Glenz intro is missin? How about bouncing big scroll Dim style?
Ok. im of to bar. props to shifter and magic. Lets wrazzzzzzzzzzz......
Totally hammered.
For example, mighty keops, GL master. Can we see your first Atari "demo"?
Was that "utterly suberb" ? No.
Dont judge ppl or their first demos because they are crap or slow etc.
Instead of that how do you encourage them to make better demos?
Oh yeah, oldskool effect are used by now, keops.
Only truly oldskool Glenz intro is missin? How about bouncing big scroll Dim style?
Ok. im of to bar. props to shifter and magic. Lets wrazzzzzzzzzzz......
KEOPS OFFICIAL FLAMETHREAD 2007 !
note: as far as I remember, the first keops demo has standard-equinoxe quality. Actually, a lots of coders wait to really do something before releasing anything good.
note: as far as I remember, the first keops demo has standard-equinoxe quality. Actually, a lots of coders wait to really do something before releasing anything good.
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how do you encourage them to make better demos?
tell them repeatedly how much they suck! obviously. you so stoopid.
ahaha moredhel is back. We almost missed you. No "Uberdemo" thread this time?
I take it this post is a bitter answer to my recent post here: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25677
Question is, what did YOU release moredhel? What did YOU do to "encourage" people? You're been stalking Evil/DHS, me and some other guys for months now, insulting us weekly on irc, throwing nonsense at us about Kalms, ripped c2p code, etc...
Now that Kalms/TBL settled things and put your nose in front of your own feces, you are bitter and look for new shit to rant about? That will be without me (and without Evil/DHS as well I guess).
Now do us a favor and go see a shrink.
I take it this post is a bitter answer to my recent post here: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25677
Question is, what did YOU release moredhel? What did YOU do to "encourage" people? You're been stalking Evil/DHS, me and some other guys for months now, insulting us weekly on irc, throwing nonsense at us about Kalms, ripped c2p code, etc...
Now that Kalms/TBL settled things and put your nose in front of your own feces, you are bitter and look for new shit to rant about? That will be without me (and without Evil/DHS as well I guess).
Now do us a favor and go see a shrink.
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25677
Keops, you were faster :)
krabob: and then, when they finally can code something decent, they start coding games and lose all their sanity into the vortex of lies and mischief that swamps the industry. returning as either deranged lunatics *cough*LCF*cough* or egocentric oldschool maniacs *cough*keops*cough*. did anyone notice how _they're all french_ though? *hint hint hint*
HOW CAN YOU START A FLAMEWAR WITH A GUY LOOKING LIKE THIS?
... and I would say, he is arrogant ... and touchy ! (like a lots of coders) Don't say anything to him, he will take it bad whatever it is.
you are weirdo moredhel. moredhel polta nyt sitä pilvee lisää äläkä peikkoile täällä pouetissa
Moredhel: Shut the [beep] up, you know Keops did stuff on the ST very few could even come close of doing.
Keops: Well obviously he hasn't done anything, he's just a drunk attentionwhore.
Keops: Well obviously he hasn't done anything, he's just a drunk attentionwhore.
btw. some people experience paranoia when smoking pot.. so you might try quitting it moredhel
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, they start coding games and lose all their sanity[...]did anyone notice how _they're all french_ though?
I noticed, and I consider this as the last great mystery of the universe I am unable to resolve. Any clue someone ?
I remember my first meeting with the comforting scene attitude back when we released Kugalskap at tg96. A fun prod, which was not that funny anyways and so was booed out by a large crowd of sceners when they discovered it had animations :D.. That was some embarassment, but it makes you want to continue making demos rather than go in a corner and start crying and say that they are all stupid.. bohoooo :) Now you have an arch enemy in Keops, so now you have to beat him in a compo before he quits the scene.
Loaderror : "Now you have an arch enemy[...], so now you have to beat him in a compo [...]."
Hahaha ! Definitely the Dark Side of the Scene. I love it. :)
Hahaha ! Definitely the Dark Side of the Scene. I love it. :)
Yeah, and then they become the elite.
I was surprised to read the andromeda interview in the last jurrassic pack, about how they don't get the behaviour have changed between "elite" and "lamers". At the times (let's say before 95), It was just hard if not impossible to get documentations for an isolated coder. Knowledge, sources, methods, were (most of the time) "kept" jealously. You had to make allegiance and all that, and it was very disturbing, even for people who really had talent. This bad side is completly gone thereafter. The real elite always pull things up ! I must admit most of the ASM optimizations I used in my amiga demos were possible because of the people at amycoders.(kalms,...)
I was surprised to read the andromeda interview in the last jurrassic pack, about how they don't get the behaviour have changed between "elite" and "lamers". At the times (let's say before 95), It was just hard if not impossible to get documentations for an isolated coder. Knowledge, sources, methods, were (most of the time) "kept" jealously. You had to make allegiance and all that, and it was very disturbing, even for people who really had talent. This bad side is completly gone thereafter. The real elite always pull things up ! I must admit most of the ASM optimizations I used in my amiga demos were possible because of the people at amycoders.(kalms,...)
Moredhel:
Last thing, I'm usually one of the first to help anwer serious code questions (whenever I know the subject) from newcomers "how do you get into the demoscene", "opengl question", "fmod question" and things like that.
Also, I usually encourage first prods from newcomers as well, as long as they are not utter crap (objectivity never hurt anybody)
Since you seem to have a lot of free time in your hands, you can verify youself here http://www.pouet.net/demoblog.php?who=5557¬humbsdown=1&nopiggies=1 where you will find stuff such as
Most of those comments were aimt at newcomers.
Now what did you do to encourage and help people Moredhel, besides pissing us off on Irc for months now?
People like Ryg or BoyC helped me to solve Win32 issues from time to time and I know what a timesaver this kind of help can be. I try to return the favor as often as I can via mail or on irc, but that you fail to know, as most things you post about on Pouet.
Last thing, I'm usually one of the first to help anwer serious code questions (whenever I know the subject) from newcomers "how do you get into the demoscene", "opengl question", "fmod question" and things like that.
Also, I usually encourage first prods from newcomers as well, as long as they are not utter crap (objectivity never hurt anybody)
Since you seem to have a lot of free time in your hands, you can verify youself here http://www.pouet.net/demoblog.php?who=5557¬humbsdown=1&nopiggies=1 where you will find stuff such as
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Thumb up for the music and as an encouragement to the japanese scene.
The visual could have been much better though (way too repetitive)
I wish there were more prods from japan, that would probably bring fresh air to the demoscene ;)
added on the 2004-11-04 by keops
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Thumb up for the unusual platform choice and for the effort.
Too bad some people showed up once again with a thumb down for no reason at all...
added on the 2006-08-01
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Thumb up for the unusual platform choice and the tryout.
added on the 2006-08-01
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Haven't tried it yet but the effort alone is worth a thumb up.
added on the 2006-03-20
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and a thumb up to get you motivated to make a finished version ;)
added on the 2005-12-31
Most of those comments were aimt at newcomers.
Now what did you do to encourage and help people Moredhel, besides pissing us off on Irc for months now?
People like Ryg or BoyC helped me to solve Win32 issues from time to time and I know what a timesaver this kind of help can be. I try to return the favor as often as I can via mail or on irc, but that you fail to know, as most things you post about on Pouet.
"return the favor" to newcomers, not to Ryg or BoyC who don't need my help of course ;)
ps : "did anyone notice how _they're all french_ though?"
Yeah. I figured it out, too. Any explanation, someone ?
Yeah. I figured it out, too. Any explanation, someone ?
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Quote:ps : "did anyone notice how _they're all french_ though?"Quote:, they start coding games and lose all their sanity[...]did anyone notice how _they're all french_ though?
I noticed, and I consider this as the last great mystery of the universe I am unable to resolve. Any clue someone ?
Yeah. I figured it out, too. Any explanation, someone ?
tchchchchchk' ....
ps ? TomS4wy3r ? ... still no explanation here. Over.
tchchchchchk' ....
Hoho!
Keops, why in earth u support atarians, because u know that derealization demo was NOT koded by evl. 3D engine of that was coded by Kalms, its just ported to Falcon.
Keops, why in earth u support atarians, because u know that derealization demo was NOT koded by evl. 3D engine of that was coded by Kalms, its just ported to Falcon.
After 5 fps textured routines, then routines by Kalms/TBL
Huh?
Huh?
moredhel stop smoking cock? its not the same code alright. even kalms said it. why the fuck the would lie.. and stop bugging keops at irc.
moredhel: The source code and Kalms comment are available here [url]http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25677[\url]
moredhel: The source code and Kalms comment are available here http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=25677
So that's how YOU encourage people ? Really interesting.
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moredhel: The 3D engine which Evil and Gizmo have written has nothing to do with the one which I and Rubberduck have written.
If you would look at the code using a debugger/disassembler, you would see that there is no similarity whatsoever between the two implementations.
They're (mainly) written in different languages, they have different scope, different featuresets, the datastructures are totally different etc.
This demo is good, and totally done by them.
added on the 2007-06-06 by Kalms
So that's how YOU encourage people ? Really interesting.